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Jesus’ Last Supper Still Wasn’t a Passover Seder Meal

An update to Jonathan Klawans’s Bible Review article “Was Jesus’ Last Supper a Seder?”

Many people still assume that Jesus’ Last Supper was a Seder, a ritual meal held in celebration of the Jewish holiday of Passover. In this exclusive guest post, Boston University Professor of Religion Jonathan Klawans provides an update to his popular Bible Review article questioning this common assumption. This post was originally published in Bible History Daily in 2016.—Ed.


Every spring, as the Boston snow begins to melt, the emails start coming in. Some are positive, others negative—but all exhibit continued curiosity and excitement about the Passover Seder meal and its relationship to Jesus’ Last Supper. And if they are writing to me about this, it’s because of the piece I wrote in Bible Review back in 2001.

And it’s a question I do revisit myself annually: part of the way I prepare myself for Passover each year is to read a few new articles that have appeared—and of course I read those emails too (though I don’t answer the nasty ones!).

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Was Jesus’ Last Supper a Passover Seder meal? Here, we see Leonardo Da Vinci’s famous painting The Last Supper, which was completed around 1498.

No, there will be no exciting turnarounds in this posting. Yes, readers have asked some good questions. And some scholars have offered vigorous defenses of the Last Supper/Seder connection. Nevertheless, I remain convinced that the Last Supper was not a Passover Seder meal.

First, very little, if anything, of the rabbinic Seder practices can be read back to the early part of the first century C.E. Second, Jesus’ Last Supper with his disciples did not take place on the first night of Passover. There is a real difference between John and the synoptics on this question, and John’s chronology continues to make much more sense to me: Jesus was tried and killed before the holiday began. By Seder time, he was buried.


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Perhaps one of these years I’ll revise the piece from beginning to end. But in lieu of that, below are some bibliographic updates and a few additional points to ponder.

To my mind, the most important development in the last fifteen years has been the appearance of a number of resources to help readers of English understand better the history of the Passover Haggadah (the book that lays out the rituals practiced and passages recited over the course of a traditional Passover Seder meal):

Readers who delve into these sources will find a great deal of information about all aspects of Passover and the Seder. Regarding our topic, most of what you will find in these sources will be in agreement with the approach that separates the Last Supper from the Passover Seder. This is because it remains the case that scholars of early rabbinic literature (and not just the most skeptical of them) have come to a general consensus that the rabbinic Seder ritual was developed after 70 C.E. (and therefore almost two generations after Jesus’ death in the early 30s C.E.). If the Seder didn’t really exist until after 70 C.E., it could not have been practiced whenever Jesus had his Last Supper, Passover or not.


Passover is the celebration of the Israelite exodus from Egypt. For more on the Exodus, check out the Bible History Daily Exodus page for dozens of free articles and video lectures on the flight of the Israelites from slavery in Egypt and their miraculous escape across the Red Sea.


For readers who want to consider an academic counter-argument, the most forceful one I know is by Joel Marcus of Duke University Divinity School: “Passover and Last Supper Revisited,” New Testament Studies 59.3 (2013), pp. 303–324. In this article Marcus does everything he can to take various parallels between Jewish and Christian traditions and turn them in favor of the argument that Jesus’ Last Supper was a Passover Seder meal. For instance, he calls attention to the so-called “ha lachma” (Aramaic for “This is the bread”), a brief passage traditionally recited at the opening of the Seder: “This is the bread of affliction that our ancestors ate in Egypt…” This statement does indeed parallel the Eucharistic words, grammatically (“This bread is…”). Is it possible that the ha lachma tradition (which can only be traced back to medieval manuscripts) is in fact an ancient tradition that sheds light on the Eucharistic words of Jesus? Yes—anything is possible. But it is much more likely, in my view, that a medieval Jewish tradition that parallels a Christian tradition is responding to Christianity.

This is what we need to remember: Judaism and Christianity continued to influence each other, long after the death of Jesus. Passover and Easter continued to influence each other too. The dialogue—and competition—between these holidays left imprints on the respective rituals, as well as on the traditional sources (such as the Gospels and the Haggadah) describing these practices. The “Passoverization” of Christian rituals and texts—as discussed in my BR article—continued long after Jesus’ death


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But we can’t only think about influence—we must also remember difference. Joseph Tabory (for instance, to consider one of the writers listed above) says little about the Last Supper per se in his edition of the Haggadah. Nevertheless, he does point out one key difference: While the Last Supper traditions focus on the meaning of the wine (alongside the bread), the Passover traditions feature wine without offering any explanation for it even while other symbols are explained carefully (Tabory, JPS Commentary, pp. 13–14). This is a telling difference indeed!

When we find similarities, we must consider the possibility that influence has moved in either direction, even in periods long after Jesus’ death. When we find differences, we must remember that not everything in these two traditions necessarily has much to do with the other.

If we cannot figure out precisely how Christians and Jews may have influenced each other with regard to Passover and the Last Supper, it becomes all the more difficult to figure out what the earliest practices of each may have been. All this in turn limits our ability to know what Jesus would have done on Passover night (had he lived another day). And the likelihood that Jesus died before that partially-prepared-for Passover had begun also renders it most unlikely that his Last Supper was even a celebration of Passover, let alone a Seder.

But why should historical skepticism ruin anyone’s holiday? Happy Easter and Chag Sameach (Hebrew for “Happy Holiday”) to any and all who celebrate!


“Jesus’ Last Supper Still Wasn’t a Passover Seder Meal” by Jonathan Klawans was originally published in Bible History Daily on February 12, 2016.


klawansJonathan Klawans is Professor of Religion at Boston University. He is the author of Josephus and the Theologies of Ancient Judaism (Oxford Univ. Press, 2012), Purity, Sacrifice, and the Temple: Symbolism and Supersessionism in the Study of Ancient Judaism (Oxford Univ. Press, 2005) and Impurity and Sin in Ancient Judaism (Oxford Univ. Press, 2000), which received the Salo Wittmayer Baron Prize for the best first book in Jewish studies.


Related reading in Bible History Daily:

Did Jesus’ Last Supper Take Place Above the Tomb of David?

The Last Days of Jesus: A Final “Messianic” Meal

How Was Jesus’ Tomb Sealed?

On What Day Did Jesus Rise?

The Hungry Jesus

Uncovering the Jewish Context of the New Testament

Ancient Jewish Theology and Law


 

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82 Responses

  1. Bob C says:

    Jonathan Klawans writes:
    “There is a real difference between John and the synoptics on this question, …”

    So many people have believed that there is a difference in chronologies between the Synoptics and John. It’s just not so! The chronologies are in complete agreement, if one only reads what is written and not what they think is written.

    ————————-

    For over 40 years, I believed that the Last Supper was not the biblical time for keeping Passover. About 35 years ago, I was compelled to study the issue in depth. My findings resulted in my need to change my practices for keeping Passover.

    But since my Church believed that the Jews were in error, I could not use Jewish writings or commentaries as proof of the correct time. Thus, I had to rely upon the Bible, almost exclusively.

    I did find the biblical proof that supports the Passover to be at the time of Jesus Christ’s death, and therefore, he could not have eaten it the night before.

    Since then, I’ve found many proofs to support that conclusion. Here are two:
    * Jesus said he would, by no means, eat this Passover (Luke 22:15-16).
    * Jesus told his disciples to “prepare the passover” on the 13th–contrary to the command of God (Matthew 26:19-20; Mark 14:13-17) {“prepare the passover”, of course, was assumed to mean the killing of the Passover lamb; but that is proved contradictory in the end.}

    When we understand that what Jesus meant by “this Passover” was in reference to the next day, not that meal set before him, the synchronicity of the Gospel accounts begins to clear.

  2. Veper K says:

    I agree that Christ didn’t eat the Passover Seder that year because He WAS to be the Passover Lamb. The Last Supper was not Passover Seder. It was the establishing of the New Covenant, which is Himself, i.e. “…new testament in my blood”.
    His death was the end of the Old Covenant. He lamented about desiring to eat this Passover with them, knowing He wouldn’t because He would die before the meal w

    Since the 7 feasts are “shadows” of the realities that were (Passover, Unleavened Bread, Wave Sheaf and Pentecost) and are to be (Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles) fulfilled by Christ. They are important markers of the ministrations of Christ in Plan of Salvation.

    I have read different write-ups about the dates, customs, calendars, etc, and they confuse my simple mind. So I look at what happened to Christ and see the spiritual intent behind each of the fulfilled spring festivals.

  3. Oscar Scott Oliver says:

    Many years ago, my teacher, Rabbi Mayer Gruber, mentioned that in the Book of Jubilees there is mention of different Jewish calendars. He thought that might be a helpful approach to the conflict between the Synoptics and the Gospel of John. That is the Gospel of John is using the Jerusalem Temple calendar and the Synoptics are using a different Jewish calendar.

  4. Mike says:

    Why is every element of last supper confirmation that the last supper was not pesach, ie no lamb to eat, they wandered outside after meal, priests not commanded to slaughter lambs till the next day, bread is daily bread “ artos ” not unleavened “ lechem bread, contest rules out that it had to be unleavened ( could be but not required, pesach is family meal, , sandals on and ready becomes shoes off we some washing to do, when did the disciples go to prepare??? On the 13 or 14th of first month??? I can go forever because His paths are beyond tracing::::—- my question is , who started this nonsense anyways—-some one find a flaw in what I present….not something that just needs further diving into the text…tell me something from the scriptures that need the substance to to become an element in the shadow picture…???

  5. Damon Casale says:

    The reason why the synoptic gospels appear to be against John, in terms of when the Passover was kept, is because of a basic misunderstanding of how Passover evolved from its beginnings with Moses, down through to the first century.

    The original Passover was celebrated *on the evening beginning Nisan 14th*, when the death angel passed through Egypt. The following evening was the “night to be much observed” and marked the beginning of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a feast which lasted for a total of seven days. The original Passover was a family affair, kept at home.

    In the time of King Hezekiah and again in the time of King Josiah, when the purity of the Israelites was an issue because of their sins, both Hezekiah and Josiah instituted a national observance. This observance required that the Israelites come to the Temple so that the priests could sacrifice the Passover lambs on their behalf, to avoid the issues with ritually impure people sacrificing their own Passover lambs and eating them at home.

    This observance, together with the Feast of Unleavened Bread, was renamed “Passover”. The instructions in Deuteronomy 16 for the Feast of Unleavened Bread were edited to reflect the new usage of the term “Passover.” Here, we are told that the Israelites are to “sacrifice the Passover” in the “place where the Lord shall choose to place his name there” (Deut. 16:2) — e.g. in Jerusalem, at the Temple.

    In Jesus’ day, there were many Jews who observed the national Passover by sacrificing at the Temple on the afternoon of Nisan 14th (in the bible, days are reckoned as beginning at evening and going from one evening to the next, so this afternoon was after the *evening* portion of Nisan 14th). But, there were also many Jews who kept the home-based observance. Jesus and his followers were among them.

    The Gospel account of John noting that the day Jesus was crucified was the “preparation day of the Passover”. It was simply the “preparation day” of the national observance that began that evening. But Jesus and his followers had already eaten a Passover seder the previous night.

  6. Damon Casale says:

    The reason why the synoptic gospels appear to be against John, in terms of when the Passover was kept, is because of a basic misunderstanding of how Passover evolved from its beginnings with Moses, down through to the first century.
    The original Passover was celebrated *on the evening beginning Nisan 14th*, when the death angel passed through Egypt. The following evening was the “night to be much observed” and marked the beginning of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a feast which lasted for a total of seven days. The original Passover was a family affair, kept at home.
    In the time of King Hezekiah and again in the time of King Josiah, when the purity of the Israelites was an issue because of their sins, both Hezekiah and Josiah instituted a national observance. This observance required that the Israelites come to the Temple so that the priests could sacrifice the Passover lambs on their behalf, to avoid the issues with ritually impure people sacrificing their own Passover lambs and eating them at home.
    This observance, together with the Feast of Unleavened Bread, was renamed “Passover”. The instructions in Deuteronomy 16 for the Feast of Unleavened Bread were edited to reflect the new usage of the term “Passover.” Here, we are told that the Israelites are to “sacrifice the Passover” in the “place where the Lord shall choose to place his name there” (Deut. 16:2) — e.g. in Jerusalem, at the Temple.
    In Jesus’ day, there were many Jews who observed the national Passover by sacrificing at the Temple on the afternoon of Nisan 14th (in the bible, days are reckoned as beginning at evening and going from one evening to the next, so this afternoon was after the *evening* portion of Nisan 14th). But, there were also many Jews who kept the home-based observance. Jesus and his followers were among them.
    The Gospel account of John noting that the day Jesus was crucified was the “preparation day of the Passover”. It was simply the “preparation day” of the national observance that began that evening. But Jesus and his followers had already eaten a Passover seder the previous night.

  7. Roger Walkwitz says:

    Luke is very clear that the Last Supper WAS a genuine Passover Seder. This is our starting point. It is also the most complete record: Kiddush wine to start with, matzah broken and passed around (No Afikomen!!), a supper with the lamb that the disciples had procured and probably included the bitter herbs required in Exodus, and the glass of wine after the supper. This is the heart of the Seder. It is complete as is and can be used today. The current 15 part Seder and Haggadah narration booklet, if developed at Yavneh after 70 CE, then here is my conclusion: the 3-part matzah tas and 3 pieces of matzah, with the host breaking the middle one in two parts, passing one part around to be eaten and the other ‘buried’ in a napkin for later on after the supper to become the Afikomen…. all of this was started by Messianic Believers in Yeshua not very long after the Resurrection to illustrate the death, burial and Resurrection of Yeshua!! How did this become part of the Rabbinic Passover Seder?? The influence of the Messianic Believers in Jerusalem became very strong as their numbers approached a significant percentage of the Jerusalem population. For the most part, the Messianics were respected by the population and persecution came and went. James (Yaacov), leader of the Jerusalem Messianic Synagogue, was highly respected by the people to the point of jealousy such that he was murdered by non-believing Jewish leadership. I believe the 15 part Seder came from the Messianic Jewish Synagogue and was used widely by the population such that by post 70 CE, it had become the standard. The revamp of Judaism into the Rabbinic at Yavneh by Yochanan ben Zakhai & Co just continued on with the 15 part Seder that had become the standard by that time.

  8. Roger Walkwitz says:

    Luke is very clear that the Last Supper WAS a genuine Passover Seder. This is our starting point. It is also the most complete record: Kiddush wine to start with, matzah broken and passed around (No Afikomen!!), a supper with the lamb that the disciples had procured and probably included the bitter herbs required in Exodus, and the glass of wine after the supper. This is the heart of the Seder. It is complete as is and can be used today. The current 15 part Seder and Haggadah narration booklet, if developed at Yavneh after 70 CE, then here is my conclusion: the 3-part matzah tas and 3 pieces of matzah, with the host breaking the middle one in two parts, passing one part around to be eaten and the other ‘buried’ in a napkin for later on after the supper to become the Afikomen…. all of this was started by Messianic Believers in Yeshua not very long after the Resurrection to illustrate the death, burial and Resurrection of Yeshua!! How did this become part of the Rabbinic Passover Seder?? The influence of the Messianic Believers in Jerusalem became very strong as their numbers approached a significant percentage of the Jerusalem population. For the most part, the Messianics were respected by the population and persecution came and went. James (Yaacov), leader of the Jerusalem Messianic Synagogue, was highly respected by the people to the point of jealousy such that he was murdered by non-believing Jewish leadership. I believe the 15 part Seder came from the Messianic Jewish Synagogue and was used widely by the population such that by post 70 CE, it had become the standard. The revamp of Judaism into the Rabbinic at Yavneh by Yochanan ben Zakhai & Co just continued on with the 15 part Seder that had become the standard by that time.

  9. Jim glinski says:

    Jesus and his group may have been the only ones that had passover right if the original Passover was under the sun calendar not these used to day . here’s a little proof when Moses and Aron were called out of there homes just after midnight Aron should have died if under today’s standards but he didn’t because under the sun calendar it was morning .there seems to be a concerted effort to hide this .but to do so would mean that possible truth might be lost . to walk with god you walk in truth and sacrificial love not not hiding it thru extortion .jim

  10. Jim glinski says:

    Jesus and his group may have been the only ones that had passover right if the original Passover was under the sun calendar not these used to day . here’s a little proof when Moses and Aron were called out of there homes just after midnight Aron should have died if under today’s standards but he didn’t because under the sun calendar it was morning .there seems to be a concerted effort to hide this .but to do so would mean that possible truth might be lost . to walk with god you walk in truth and sacrificial love not not hiding it thru extortion .jim

  11. Robert Buck says:

    The Seder during the time of Jesus was done on the wrong day. Jesus’s Seder was done on the correct day according to Exodus 12. The Jews had the Paschal Supper on the first day of Unleavened Bread or the day after Passover, which was not according to the Law of Moses. John’s gospel takes note of the Jews’ inconsistencies of the time and changes the name from the LORD’s Passover to the Jewish Passover. If Jesus didn’t keep the commands to eat the Passover on the correct day he broke the Law of Moses and was a sinner and not the Messiah.

  12. Robert Buck says:

    The Seder during the time of Jesus was done on the wrong day. Jesus’s Seder was done on the correct day according to Exodus 12. The Jews had the Paschal Supper on the first day of Unleavened Bread or the day after Passover, which was not according to the Law of Moses. John’s gospel takes note of the Jews’ inconsistencies of the time and changes the name from the LORD’s Passover to the Jewish Passover. If Jesus didn’t keep the commands to eat the Passover on the correct day he broke the Law of Moses and was a sinner and not the Messiah.

  13. Frank` says:

    Just Looking for something in English … All responses and explanations have Biblical language Which I cant understand. I want to know the truth of Gods past How come every where I go Nobody has a real or true answer To my question WHEN did Jesus die And When did he rise Come on We have lived for Centuries And don”t have an Answer >>>> Really ???

  14. Frank` says:

    Just Looking for something in English … All responses and explanations have Biblical language Which I cant understand. I want to know the truth of Gods past How come every where I go Nobody has a real or true answer To my question WHEN did Jesus die And When did he rise Come on We have lived for Centuries And don”t have an Answer >>>> Really ???

    1. Dr. Matt Johnson says:

      Visit this link for some information based on the scriptures about when did Jesus die. Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week – Sunday. https://brotheryo.blogspot.com/2013/03/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html

  15. Dan Murphy says:

    Luke 22:7-23New International Version (NIV)

    The Last Supper
    7 Then came the day of UNLEAVENED BREAD on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”

    9 “Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked.

    10 He replied, “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, 11 and say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 12 He will show you a large room upstairs, all furnished. Make preparations there.”

    13 They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.

    14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”

    17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”

    19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

    20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.[a] 21 But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. 22 The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!” 23 They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this.

    Footnotes:
    This seems quite clear to me. The last supper was the passover meal. The scriptures DO mention unleavened bread and wine. Jesus was the lamb to be slain. Why the debate?

    1. Daniel O'Connell says:

      I note as well that as the Passover feast and ceremonies were well known they would not have been repeated in any detail in the gospel but clearly the “bones” of the celebration is obvious in the text.

  16. Dan Murphy says:

    Luke 22:7-23New International Version (NIV)
    The Last Supper
    7 Then came the day of UNLEAVENED BREAD on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
    9 “Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked.
    10 He replied, “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, 11 and say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 12 He will show you a large room upstairs, all furnished. Make preparations there.”
    13 They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.
    14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
    17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
    19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
    20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.[a] 21 But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. 22 The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!” 23 They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this.
    Footnotes:
    This seems quite clear to me. The last supper was the passover meal. The scriptures DO mention unleavened bread and wine. Jesus was the lamb to be slain. Why the debate?

  17. Chris C. says:

    It’s perhaps worth noting that in Eastern Christian tradition its John’s chronology that’s strictly followed and the Last Supper has never been thought of as a seder. The idea that it should be renders the entire Quartodecimian controversy unintelligible.

    Although the Gospels refer to the Passover as the “Day of Unleavened Bread” (ἡμέρᾳ τῶν ἀζύμων) they never once refer to the bread Jesus declared to be his body as unleavened. It’s always just plain bread, ἄρτος. This is by no means conclusive, but it means that leavened bread was at least possibly served. If so, that rules out a seder entirely.

    I can’t quite get my head around “Passoverization”. English, with its peculiar Germanic name for the Christian feast, masks a fact that’s obvious to a Greek-speaking Christian, that Passover and Easter are in origin identical celebrations. The Greek word for both is the same, πάσχα. (Hence the KJV’s anachronistic translation of πάσχα as “Easter” in Acts 12:4.) It’s at least as possible that the two *diverged* over time, not converged, a process enshrined by the decision about the calendar at Nicaea.

    While the Last Supper was obviously not a seder, it bears quite noticeable similarities to the Hasidic tradition of the tish. (A celebratory meal shared by a rebbe with his followers, who eat from his plate as a blessing, together with a sermon and hymns.) But projecting the tish into antiquity seems an impossibility, unless there are records of similar practices of which I’m unaware.

  18. Chris C. says:

    It’s perhaps worth noting that in Eastern Christian tradition its John’s chronology that’s strictly followed and the Last Supper has never been thought of as a seder. The idea that it should be renders the entire Quartodecimian controversy unintelligible.
    Although the Gospels refer to the Passover as the “Day of Unleavened Bread” (ἡμέρᾳ τῶν ἀζύμων) they never once refer to the bread Jesus declared to be his body as unleavened. It’s always just plain bread, ἄρτος. This is by no means conclusive, but it means that leavened bread was at least possibly served. If so, that rules out a seder entirely.
    I can’t quite get my head around “Passoverization”. English, with its peculiar Germanic name for the Christian feast, masks a fact that’s obvious to a Greek-speaking Christian, that Passover and Easter are in origin identical celebrations. The Greek word for both is the same, πάσχα. (Hence the KJV’s anachronistic translation of πάσχα as “Easter” in Acts 12:4.) It’s at least as possible that the two *diverged* over time, not converged, a process enshrined by the decision about the calendar at Nicaea.
    While the Last Supper was obviously not a seder, it bears quite noticeable similarities to the Hasidic tradition of the tish. (A celebratory meal shared by a rebbe with his followers, who eat from his plate as a blessing, together with a sermon and hymns.) But projecting the tish into antiquity seems an impossibility, unless there are records of similar practices of which I’m unaware.

  19. julesathome says:

    So you say. DaVinci was a crafty man if ideas

  20. julesathome says:

    So you say. DaVinci was a crafty man if ideas

  21. Liz Rhodes says:

    I’m coming to the same conclusion. The Last Supper was a covenant meal. Yeshua spoke of the bread as his body and the wine as his blood. He himself said they were the body and blood of the NEW COVENANT referring to JerimiAh 31. They knew exactly what he was referring to. His death would be the covenant sacrifice, God made a covenant with himself and became the sacrifice and invites everyone to partake. The stage was Passover.

  22. Liz Rhodes says:

    I’m coming to the same conclusion. The Last Supper was a covenant meal. Yeshua spoke of the bread as his body and the wine as his blood. He himself said they were the body and blood of the NEW COVENANT referring to JerimiAh 31. They knew exactly what he was referring to. His death would be the covenant sacrifice, God made a covenant with himself and became the sacrifice and invites everyone to partake. The stage was Passover.

  23. Shofarel Pristoop says:

    Respectfully I completely disagree. You should attend a Passover Seder with proper explanation by Jewish believers in Messiah. Like many traditions given by God that point to His plan of reconciliation with His creation, the Passover is vital to God’s kick off, followed by the rest of the mo’dim in Leviticus 23 which all prophetically point to the first and second coming of Messiah. I know the last Seder that Jesus spent with his disciples was done before the actual Seder date. However, the Messiah was teaching his disciples an object lesson and introducing them to the meaning of the rituals, like communion, they had done all their life but did not understand until revealed. Just as Abraham and Isaac had no idea why God want Abraham to sacrifice Isaac–they simply were being obedient to His commands. Yet 2000 years later we see the perfect picture of substitutionary atonement in their ritual and obedience. Jesus said that we are to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Why? Because if you are adopted into a Jewish family you must take a mikveh and are dunked three times. Jesus revealed what the three dunks meant when Gentiles came into the commonwealth of Israel. Jesus spent his earthly life explaining the Torah properly. “You have heard it said that…but I say …” The meal which he ate with his disciples before being arrested was certainly a Seder meal where he explained why we do what we do and how it relates to the Passover, how it related to the Passion, and how we are to celebrate.

  24. Shofarel Pristoop says:

    Respectfully I completely disagree. You should attend a Passover Seder with proper explanation by Jewish believers in Messiah. Like many traditions given by God that point to His plan of reconciliation with His creation, the Passover is vital to God’s kick off, followed by the rest of the mo’dim in Leviticus 23 which all prophetically point to the first and second coming of Messiah. I know the last Seder that Jesus spent with his disciples was done before the actual Seder date. However, the Messiah was teaching his disciples an object lesson and introducing them to the meaning of the rituals, like communion, they had done all their life but did not understand until revealed. Just as Abraham and Isaac had no idea why God want Abraham to sacrifice Isaac–they simply were being obedient to His commands. Yet 2000 years later we see the perfect picture of substitutionary atonement in their ritual and obedience. Jesus said that we are to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Why? Because if you are adopted into a Jewish family you must take a mikveh and are dunked three times. Jesus revealed what the three dunks meant when Gentiles came into the commonwealth of Israel. Jesus spent his earthly life explaining the Torah properly. “You have heard it said that…but I say …” The meal which he ate with his disciples before being arrested was certainly a Seder meal where he explained why we do what we do and how it relates to the Passover, how it related to the Passion, and how we are to celebrate.

  25. C L Couch says:

    When I was a child, I learned about the final meal that Jesus had with his disciples as, well, a meal. Later I began hearing about that meal being Passover Seder. And still later that the Seder could be Christianized, so to speak, in order to appreciate the presence of Jesus within.

    If Jesus is in the Seder, it’s because he is in everything. It’s because the claim he makes is real: “Before Abraham was, I am.”

    I am thankful for this sensible take on the issue of Passover rites happening during the Passion. It complements the telling I was first given and matches what skill I might have in reasoning now.

  26. C L Couch says:

    When I was a child, I learned about the final meal that Jesus had with his disciples as, well, a meal. Later I began hearing about that meal being Passover Seder. And still later that the Seder could be Christianized, so to speak, in order to appreciate the presence of Jesus within.
    If Jesus is in the Seder, it’s because he is in everything. It’s because the claim he makes is real: “Before Abraham was, I am.”
    I am thankful for this sensible take on the issue of Passover rites happening during the Passion. It complements the telling I was first given and matches what skill I might have in reasoning now.

  27. Rev. Stephen H. Funck says:

    The people of Israel had been celebrating Passover for 1400 years. What we have written is a while after Jesus’s day and by the educated. It was become the standard. Jesus would have had a Galilean peasant version. Seder means something like order of events, outline, The order is ancient. The language was growing more stylized so even the wording would have had many similarities. Everyone celebrated this meal every year. It would have been unthinkable, denial of the faith, for anyone to omit it. Jesus and His followers could not have any claim to religious leadership if they did not celebrate Passover. That means their families, friends, everyone with Jesus – maybe over 200 did. It was the great family event. All were there. Jesus and the 12 would have been in a circle around the plates, with everyone else in circles around. See Book 3 Chapter 4 “The Last Supper http://thesignofconcord.com/King_of_Kings_3_FEC0.php with supporting footnotes

  28. Rev. Stephen H. Funck says:

    The people of Israel had been celebrating Passover for 1400 years. What we have written is a while after Jesus’s day and by the educated. It was become the standard. Jesus would have had a Galilean peasant version. Seder means something like order of events, outline, The order is ancient. The language was growing more stylized so even the wording would have had many similarities. Everyone celebrated this meal every year. It would have been unthinkable, denial of the faith, for anyone to omit it. Jesus and His followers could not have any claim to religious leadership if they did not celebrate Passover. That means their families, friends, everyone with Jesus – maybe over 200 did. It was the great family event. All were there. Jesus and the 12 would have been in a circle around the plates, with everyone else in circles around. See Book 3 Chapter 4 “The Last Supper http://thesignofconcord.com/King_of_Kings_3_FEC0.php with supporting footnotes

  29. CD says:

    Sorry Grace (March 13) But Exodus 12:18 is as plain as it gets when Passover is. It’s the First month, on the 14th of the month at evening. The Jews ate the lamb, biter herbs, and the unleavened bread on the evening of the 14th. Which evening? The evening of the 14th begins at 12:00am of the 14th. Because the day begins with evening then day. Jesus celebrated Passover on the evening of the 14th. As we see above the Jews ate the lamb, biter herbs, and unleavened bread on the evening of the 14th per Exodus 12:18. It don’t get any plainer than that. Maybe they didn’t celebrate a “Seder like today” in Jesus’ time but He did celebrate The Passover Meal on the evening of the 14th.” I might add that we should not get hung up on the word translated “Supper.” the Greek word meant the evening meal. It was translated “Supper.” This is what my parents called dinner when I was growing up. The same word could have been translated “dinner” or evening meal. Stop straining at a gnat.

  30. CD says:

    Sorry Grace (March 13) But Exodus 12:18 is as plain as it gets when Passover is. It’s the First month, on the 14th of the month at evening. The Jews ate the lamb, biter herbs, and the unleavened bread on the evening of the 14th. Which evening? The evening of the 14th begins at 12:00am of the 14th. Because the day begins with evening then day. Jesus celebrated Passover on the evening of the 14th. As we see above the Jews ate the lamb, biter herbs, and unleavened bread on the evening of the 14th per Exodus 12:18. It don’t get any plainer than that. Maybe they didn’t celebrate a “Seder like today” in Jesus’ time but He did celebrate The Passover Meal on the evening of the 14th.” I might add that we should not get hung up on the word translated “Supper.” the Greek word meant the evening meal. It was translated “Supper.” This is what my parents called dinner when I was growing up. The same word could have been translated “dinner” or evening meal. Stop straining at a gnat.

  31. ilan bergman says:

    Since Passover had nothing to do with repentance, sin, or salvation it really does not matter what kind of meal this messianic pretender ate for his last meal.

  32. ilan bergman says:

    Since Passover had nothing to do with repentance, sin, or salvation it really does not matter what kind of meal this messianic pretender ate for his last meal.

  33. Ryan says:

    Apparently, the author of this piece, has never really studied the original languages, nor the geography, or demographics of Ysrael between 1,000BCE and 350AD. When Constantine established Byzantium, his kingdom was full of pagans and Ysraelite disciples (Hebrew disciples NEVER spoke Greek before 70AD). We do not possess the original “autographs” of the 15 apostles (Barnabas, Shawl, and Apollos, etc.), and for ANYONE to make the stupid assumption that the original authors spoke anything but Hebrew, is idiotic. There is NO historical evidence that they spoke anything but Hebrew. Any information you have stating otherwise is an “opinion” of the Roman Vatican Church established by Constantine, who ORDERED the original “autographs” to be translated to Greek for his kingdom, but not before he “destroyed” the original copies. The DSS was the final attempt to “conceal the documents” where Constantine would never find them. Secondly; Ysrael observed Hebraic traditions clear up until 70ad (Yahwshwa Messiah was a Yahwdahy), and His “death” was prophesied by the Seder meal, His resurrection was “prophesied” by the “Unleavened Bread” and His “ascension” was prophesied by the Feast of Harvest (Shawot). Only an imbecile would claim otherwise. Clearly, the author has no knowledge of the Hebraic traditions, and chooses to keep his pagan traditions. FYI, “Fish for Lent” is a meat you morons, all proteins are a “meat.”

  34. Ryan says:

    Apparently, the author of this piece, has never really studied the original languages, nor the geography, or demographics of Ysrael between 1,000BCE and 350AD. When Constantine established Byzantium, his kingdom was full of pagans and Ysraelite disciples (Hebrew disciples NEVER spoke Greek before 70AD). We do not possess the original “autographs” of the 15 apostles (Barnabas, Shawl, and Apollos, etc.), and for ANYONE to make the stupid assumption that the original authors spoke anything but Hebrew, is idiotic. There is NO historical evidence that they spoke anything but Hebrew. Any information you have stating otherwise is an “opinion” of the Roman Vatican Church established by Constantine, who ORDERED the original “autographs” to be translated to Greek for his kingdom, but not before he “destroyed” the original copies. The DSS was the final attempt to “conceal the documents” where Constantine would never find them. Secondly; Ysrael observed Hebraic traditions clear up until 70ad (Yahwshwa Messiah was a Yahwdahy), and His “death” was prophesied by the Seder meal, His resurrection was “prophesied” by the “Unleavened Bread” and His “ascension” was prophesied by the Feast of Harvest (Shawot). Only an imbecile would claim otherwise. Clearly, the author has no knowledge of the Hebraic traditions, and chooses to keep his pagan traditions. FYI, “Fish for Lent” is a meat you morons, all proteins are a “meat.”

  35. Lamontte M. Luker says:

    Jonathan,
    You are absolutely correct. By the way, retired Pope Benedict XVI agrees also (Jesus of Nazareth, vol. 2, Holy Week).
    Lamontte Luker, Lutheran Theological Southern Seminary of Lenoir-Rhyne University

  36. Lamontte M. Luker says:

    Jonathan,
    You are absolutely correct. By the way, retired Pope Benedict XVI agrees also (Jesus of Nazareth, vol. 2, Holy Week).
    Lamontte Luker, Lutheran Theological Southern Seminary of Lenoir-Rhyne University

  37. Peter Jackson says:

    I believe the separation of Jew and Christian is a much later event than the time of the last supper. All the disciples were Jews as was Jesus. They practiced Jewish customs, not Christian. If this event really occurred then it was either just a normal Jewish meal or a Sedar. The specifics of the bible account were written by western Christians based on oral accounts received from Jewish deciples that traveled to Western areas and cultures. I feel that the Western account was the best understanding of those accounts by people of Greco/Roman backgrounds. It was most probably their description of a Sedar.

  38. Peter Jackson says:

    I believe the separation of Jew and Christian is a much later event than the time of the last supper. All the disciples were Jews as was Jesus. They practiced Jewish customs, not Christian. If this event really occurred then it was either just a normal Jewish meal or a Sedar. The specifics of the bible account were written by western Christians based on oral accounts received from Jewish deciples that traveled to Western areas and cultures. I feel that the Western account was the best understanding of those accounts by people of Greco/Roman backgrounds. It was most probably their description of a Sedar.

  39. Joyce B. Nichols says:

    I am just an octogenarian with no claim to fame as an archaeologist or Biblical scholar, but what I do have is Faith—faith that whatever Jesus ate, he did so for the benefit of all humanity and His admonishment to “Remember” Him as God’s gift of salvation from sin is what is important. However, any discussion which will cause someone to run to the Bible for clarification or proof, as the case may be, is a good thing, especially in this age when all mention of God and Jesus is banned from the secular sector. How can we create this interest in what is Truth, in our new generations, whose knowledge of God’s place in our lives is really confused?

  40. Joyce B. Nichols says:

    I am just an octogenarian with no claim to fame as an archaeologist or Biblical scholar, but what I do have is Faith—faith that whatever Jesus ate, he did so for the benefit of all humanity and His admonishment to “Remember” Him as God’s gift of salvation from sin is what is important. However, any discussion which will cause someone to run to the Bible for clarification or proof, as the case may be, is a good thing, especially in this age when all mention of God and Jesus is banned from the secular sector. How can we create this interest in what is Truth, in our new generations, whose knowledge of God’s place in our lives is really confused?

  41. Kathleen says:

    While I am not disputing your conclusion, I am confused about why you would quote “John”. I am very interested in your reply. Thank you.

  42. Kathleen says:

    While I am not disputing your conclusion, I am confused about why you would quote “John”. I am very interested in your reply. Thank you.

  43. Jerry Knoblet says:

    I would agree that the article by Jonathan Klawans is well written and makes a valid point. The real question by the Synoptics (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) and John’s Gospel is, Which calendar are they using? Do you realize we are probably dealing with two different calendars in this case? For example, one striking difference between the Boethusians and the Pharisees was the calendar. They would have no fellowship with each other over the matter. It was no minor point. Also there was a difference in the calendars for the Jerusalem Establishment and the Qumran Community, which operated on the basis of the book of Jubilees. I think Jonathan has stumbled on to something far more complicated than anyone would ever realize. Thank you.

  44. Jerry Knoblet says:

    I would agree that the article by Jonathan Klawans is well written and makes a valid point. The real question by the Synoptics (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) and John’s Gospel is, Which calendar are they using? Do you realize we are probably dealing with two different calendars in this case? For example, one striking difference between the Boethusians and the Pharisees was the calendar. They would have no fellowship with each other over the matter. It was no minor point. Also there was a difference in the calendars for the Jerusalem Establishment and the Qumran Community, which operated on the basis of the book of Jubilees. I think Jonathan has stumbled on to something far more complicated than anyone would ever realize. Thank you.

  45. Marek says:

    I have a simple qestion. Does God has right to say when and how?
    When first Passover took place is it the same order in what Moses command to observe to Hebrews about firstborn and anleaven bread? Did he not add a lot of things to simple one sentence of God?
    Your problem is that you try understand a “religion” in a Greek way in very theological way. This is also a difference between us archeologists and theologian historians. What I know and how I believe: for my Passover Jesus died and I’m free from much bigger slavery then Egyptian. Jesus talk with Moses and Elijah about “exodon” which mean exodus – which mean Passover – that he was plan to do in Jerusalem. Good news is quite simple don’t make it more difficult as it is.

  46. Marek says:

    I have a simple qestion. Does God has right to say when and how?
    When first Passover took place is it the same order in what Moses command to observe to Hebrews about firstborn and anleaven bread? Did he not add a lot of things to simple one sentence of God?
    Your problem is that you try understand a “religion” in a Greek way in very theological way. This is also a difference between us archeologists and theologian historians. What I know and how I believe: for my Passover Jesus died and I’m free from much bigger slavery then Egyptian. Jesus talk with Moses and Elijah about “exodon” which mean exodus – which mean Passover – that he was plan to do in Jerusalem. Good news is quite simple don’t make it more difficult as it is.

  47. Ron Knickerbocker says:

    Obviously, these people do NOT believe the Bible as it is written. I’m out of here. Take me off the mailing list.

  48. Ron Knickerbocker says:

    Obviously, these people do NOT believe the Bible as it is written. I’m out of here. Take me off the mailing list.

  49. K. Daniel says:

    Just as for mistakenly reading modern Passover observances into first-century practices, it is also equally mistaken to read later developments into what the gospels say about the last supper itself. It seems to me equally possible that the “holy week” construct is a convenient, but post-biblical, condensation of events that conceivably may have taken place over weeks or months. Perhaps examining what the gospels do not say about the events may also offer some perspective, e.g.: excluding later traditions, does the bare outline in the gospels precisely support the later tradition regarding the interval between the last supper and the crucifixion? Aside from possible Essenic variation in observance, the Torah does make provision for a second Passover observance in the second month for those absent and unable to attend in the first month or who were ritually unclean (Numbers 9:11), and although of little utility in Diaspora or post-70 CE Seder observances, one would expect that this provision continued to be observed in Eretz Israel while the Temple stood. Might this have played a role? Although a quick decision to hand Jesus over to Pilate might have been accomplished in the 2-3 hours between the Sanhedrin meeting at daybreak and the hour when the execution commenced around 9am, subsequent events may not necessarily have been contained within that very short time span (transport to the Praetoreum, the argument with Pilate at the gate, the later summoning and questioning of Jesus by Pilate, transport to Herod for a decision, examination by Herod, the return to Pilate, holding of another public hearing, removal to the place of execution, etc.). Without the constraints of later traditions, I also begin to wonder what else we miss, such as how might the resurrection of Lazarus, the trial itself and the Pesach rituals demanding the attention of priests and other observant participants fit into the sequence of events? It may be difficult or impossible to untangle the actual circumstances from our distance, even for things that were seen as consistent nearer to the time, but the topic is fascinating none the less.

  50. K. Daniel says:

    Just as for mistakenly reading modern Passover observances into first-century practices, it is also equally mistaken to read later developments into what the gospels say about the last supper itself. It seems to me equally possible that the “holy week” construct is a convenient, but post-biblical, condensation of events that conceivably may have taken place over weeks or months. Perhaps examining what the gospels do not say about the events may also offer some perspective, e.g.: excluding later traditions, does the bare outline in the gospels precisely support the later tradition regarding the interval between the last supper and the crucifixion? Aside from possible Essenic variation in observance, the Torah does make provision for a second Passover observance in the second month for those absent and unable to attend in the first month or who were ritually unclean (Numbers 9:11), and although of little utility in Diaspora or post-70 CE Seder observances, one would expect that this provision continued to be observed in Eretz Israel while the Temple stood. Might this have played a role? Although a quick decision to hand Jesus over to Pilate might have been accomplished in the 2-3 hours between the Sanhedrin meeting at daybreak and the hour when the execution commenced around 9am, subsequent events may not necessarily have been contained within that very short time span (transport to the Praetoreum, the argument with Pilate at the gate, the later summoning and questioning of Jesus by Pilate, transport to Herod for a decision, examination by Herod, the return to Pilate, holding of another public hearing, removal to the place of execution, etc.). Without the constraints of later traditions, I also begin to wonder what else we miss, such as how might the resurrection of Lazarus, the trial itself and the Pesach rituals demanding the attention of priests and other observant participants fit into the sequence of events? It may be difficult or impossible to untangle the actual circumstances from our distance, even for things that were seen as consistent nearer to the time, but the topic is fascinating none the less.

  51. David L says:

    Briefly, I think that Jesus might have been celebrating a Passover meal, which, later on, evolved into into the formal Seder with the writing of Haggadot. (Haggadot is the plural of Haggadah).

  52. David L says:

    Briefly, I think that Jesus might have been celebrating a Passover meal, which, later on, evolved into into the formal Seder with the writing of Haggadot. (Haggadot is the plural of Haggadah).

  53. Michael Dulick says:

    Wonderful discussion! I thank all the participants! I would just say that if the Last Supper was not a “seder,” no problem; but the whole grand event from Holy Thursday to Easter Sunday constitutes the Christian “Passover.” As St. Paul says, Christ himself is our “Pasch.” Thank for allowing my participation!

  54. Michael Dulick says:

    Wonderful discussion! I thank all the participants! I would just say that if the Last Supper was not a “seder,” no problem; but the whole grand event from Holy Thursday to Easter Sunday constitutes the Christian “Passover.” As St. Paul says, Christ himself is our “Pasch.” Thank for allowing my participation!

  55. Marrian Stinson says:

    Need correct your information according to the Hebrew Text is incorrect!

  56. Marrian Stinson says:

    Need correct your information according to the Hebrew Text is incorrect!

  57. Marrian Stinson says:

    This information is ridiculous because all of the synoptic gives the exact time of the passover meal as stated:
    And it came to pass, when YAHSHUA had finished all these sayings, HE said unto HIS disciples, Ye know that after two days is the Holy Convocation of the passover, and THE SON of man is betrayed to be crucified Mat 26:1, 2
    Now the first day of the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to YAHSHUA, saying unto HIM, Where wilt THOU that we prepare for THEE to eat the passover? And the disciples did as YAHSHUA had appointed them; and they made ready the passover. Now when the evening was come, HE sat down with the twelve. Mat 26:17, 19, 20
    After two days was the Holy Convocation of the passover, and Unleavened Bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death. And the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? Mark 14:1, 12
    Now the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. Luke 22:1
    Now before the Holy Convocation of the passover, when YAHSHUA knew that HIS hour was come that HE should depart out of this world unto the FATHER, having loved HIS own which were in the world, HE loved them unto the end. And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him; John 13:1, 2

    The Rabbi’s had a two Seder during this time and you know this. They went away from the original meal found in Exodus Chapter 12. This was during the Babylonia exile when they concocted their meal. Which YAHSHUA truly define and kept like the original. The meal was to be eaten on the first day of the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread. The passover was never a day. You information according to the Hebrew Text is correct!

  58. Marrian Stinson says:

    This information is ridiculous because all of the synoptic gives the exact time of the passover meal as stated:
    And it came to pass, when YAHSHUA had finished all these sayings, HE said unto HIS disciples, Ye know that after two days is the Holy Convocation of the passover, and THE SON of man is betrayed to be crucified Mat 26:1, 2
    Now the first day of the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to YAHSHUA, saying unto HIM, Where wilt THOU that we prepare for THEE to eat the passover? And the disciples did as YAHSHUA had appointed them; and they made ready the passover. Now when the evening was come, HE sat down with the twelve. Mat 26:17, 19, 20
    After two days was the Holy Convocation of the passover, and Unleavened Bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death. And the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? Mark 14:1, 12
    Now the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. Luke 22:1
    Now before the Holy Convocation of the passover, when YAHSHUA knew that HIS hour was come that HE should depart out of this world unto the FATHER, having loved HIS own which were in the world, HE loved them unto the end. And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him; John 13:1, 2
    The Rabbi’s had a two Seder during this time and you know this. They went away from the original meal found in Exodus Chapter 12. This was during the Babylonia exile when they concocted their meal. Which YAHSHUA truly define and kept like the original. The meal was to be eaten on the first day of the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread. The passover was never a day. You information according to the Hebrew Text is correct!

  59. Jack Larwa says:

    This for me is a fascinating conversation. The gospels don’t make it easy to deduce. John offers a timeline that suggests he was pushing a particular theological agenda. Luke seems certain that this was a Passover meal. For certain there are uncertainties. In my mind I have to wonder if Jesus was simply trying to bring both the teaching meal and His impending death into a contextual alignment which would forever link the two events. In doing so, he may have had to sacrifice a particular timeline which would not have been out of character.

    Please if you would direct me to the section of your argument where you discuss the explicit use of Passover language in Luke 22 and the reasoning to refute it as an accurate statement that this meal was a Passover meal. Your help in this particular matter would be greatly appreciated.

    Peace!
    Jack

  60. Jack Larwa says:

    This for me is a fascinating conversation. The gospels don’t make it easy to deduce. John offers a timeline that suggests he was pushing a particular theological agenda. Luke seems certain that this was a Passover meal. For certain there are uncertainties. In my mind I have to wonder if Jesus was simply trying to bring both the teaching meal and His impending death into a contextual alignment which would forever link the two events. In doing so, he may have had to sacrifice a particular timeline which would not have been out of character.
    Please if you would direct me to the section of your argument where you discuss the explicit use of Passover language in Luke 22 and the reasoning to refute it as an accurate statement that this meal was a Passover meal. Your help in this particular matter would be greatly appreciated.
    Peace!
    Jack

  61. JOSEF GERMAINE says:

    The Passover or any “Hebrew Holyday” always begins at sundown the night before, which would suggest that the event was the Seder or at least any ritual associated with Passover. My concern is, given all the past scholarship associated with this event , what makes this sudden revelation in terms of historical research more credible than any other prior study. However, we can agree with the indisputable fact that everything associated with Jesus until his death was by his own testimony “Hebrew” in nature and practice. It was Constantine who established “Christianity” as a national religion, thus creating the rift between Christianity and the faith of the Hebrew nation later known as Judaism, each struggling for survival and a need for supremacy. In the final analysis, we should limit our discussion to facts rather than theory, being that Jesus never intended by his own “living” ministry to create a new religion but rather a religious revival in the midst of his own community with the hope the entire world would benefit by his teaching.

  62. JOSEF GERMAINE says:

    The Passover or any “Hebrew Holyday” always begins at sundown the night before, which would suggest that the event was the Seder or at least any ritual associated with Passover. My concern is, given all the past scholarship associated with this event , what makes this sudden revelation in terms of historical research more credible than any other prior study. However, we can agree with the indisputable fact that everything associated with Jesus until his death was by his own testimony “Hebrew” in nature and practice. It was Constantine who established “Christianity” as a national religion, thus creating the rift between Christianity and the faith of the Hebrew nation later known as Judaism, each struggling for survival and a need for supremacy. In the final analysis, we should limit our discussion to facts rather than theory, being that Jesus never intended by his own “living” ministry to create a new religion but rather a religious revival in the midst of his own community with the hope the entire world would benefit by his teaching.

  63. Stephen H Funck says:

    The Essenes celebrated the Passover the day before the rest of the nation. Therefore the Passover lambs were killed both days explaining the puzzling comment in John. There are hints that Jesus’s followers and the Essenes were not antagonists. They are never mentioned, not criticized in NT. The book on line at http://thesignofconcord.com/King_of_Kings_3_FEC0.php suggests a solution for the upper room prepared for passover that was available. “The King Crowned” chapter 4. In Jerusalem packed tight for Passover any empty space is impossible to find. The traditional location had a large Essene community.
    http://www.centuryone.org/apostles.html BARGIL PIXNER http://www.centuryone.org/pixner-q-a.html Scholars like to speculate, prove, how the scriptures are incorrect. Few try to speculate how they could reflect what did occur. They omit much that was known to the people at the time the authors wrote.

  64. Stephen H Funck says:

    The Essenes celebrated the Passover the day before the rest of the nation. Therefore the Passover lambs were killed both days explaining the puzzling comment in John. There are hints that Jesus’s followers and the Essenes were not antagonists. They are never mentioned, not criticized in NT. The book on line at http://thesignofconcord.com/King_of_Kings_3_FEC0.php suggests a solution for the upper room prepared for passover that was available. “The King Crowned” chapter 4. In Jerusalem packed tight for Passover any empty space is impossible to find. The traditional location had a large Essene community.
    http://www.centuryone.org/apostles.html BARGIL PIXNER http://www.centuryone.org/pixner-q-a.html Scholars like to speculate, prove, how the scriptures are incorrect. Few try to speculate how they could reflect what did occur. They omit much that was known to the people at the time the authors wrote.

  65. Burr says:

    According to Matthew 28:6, “…He is risen. …”. This is inconsistent with the incompatibility of leavening with the Seder.

  66. Burr says:

    According to Matthew 28:6, “…He is risen. …”. This is inconsistent with the incompatibility of leavening with the Seder.

  67. grant says:

    I guess I’m wondering … beyond scholarly curiousity, does this matter if it was or was not a seder meal?

    Although Jesus’ “last supper” may not have coincided chronologically with the local event, does this change the fact that it seems like it was intended to reference that event, as practiced in that era?

  68. grant says:

    I guess I’m wondering … beyond scholarly curiousity, does this matter if it was or was not a seder meal?
    Although Jesus’ “last supper” may not have coincided chronologically with the local event, does this change the fact that it seems like it was intended to reference that event, as practiced in that era?

  69. Dr John N Sutgerland says:

    Surely this should have been entitled “there is insufficient evidence outside Christian tradition to say definitely that Jesus last supper may have been equivalent to what is today accepted to be a Jewish passover seder.” And that has far fewer exclamation marks than the original article also.

  70. Dr John N Sutgerland says:

    Surely this should have been entitled “there is insufficient evidence outside Christian tradition to say definitely that Jesus last supper may have been equivalent to what is today accepted to be a Jewish passover seder.” And that has far fewer exclamation marks than the original article also.

  71. grace yow says:

    good morning david!

    thank you for your article on the issue of what jesus had the night of 14th of abib. it was a blessing to find that i am not alone in my understanding of the issue and that you share my position of being open to additional information that helps to arrive at the correct understanding. and yet, until now you are still of the same position, which to me, is a further confirmation that your understanding and mine is correct.

    i am not a biblical scholar so my conclusion so far is arrived at solely from scriptures using concordances and interlinear resources from the internet and prayers for correct understanding.

    the assembly i join for services on sabbaths and holy days observe the “lord’s supper” on the 14th of abib but calls it the “passover”observance and observe the 15th of abib and calls it “the night to be much observed” observance.

    after having read scriptures many times over, i became familiar enough with exodus 12, lev 23 and found our practice not quite according to what i found in scriptures. so, i wrote one of our elders the message below.

    a most blessed sabbath to you,

    really appreciate your pointing out in your sermonette three weeks ago that it is important for the body to understand the reason why we do things so when they are asked they can give scripturally grounded answers.

    thank you for sharing with me that “artos” is used as a common term for bread, leavened or not. this is very good information. you are right. the use of “artos” in luke 24:30, 35 clearly show, beyond any doubt, that artos is used for unleavened bread as well.

    however, my understanding of the scriptures below show that the passover lamb was eaten in the evening of the 15th, not in the evening of the 14th. the only way what the lord could then have on that day unleavened bread is if he moved the eating of the passover lamb to the 14th instead of the 15th.

    the scriptures examined are from both the old and the new convenant writings. (i believe that this was erroneous move of those who compiled scriptures to divide it into new and old. this brought the wrong notion that jesus ushered a new religion (of god of love; not god of revenge, etc). god’s plan of salvation was hatched from the foundation of the world and its complete fulfillment still lies in the future; and, the whole scripture record shows salvation is of him, not of man’s work. the use of “testament” [attested statement of fact] instead of “covenant” [mutual agreement with each party having an obligation to fulfill] also has lead to erroneous belief that there is nothing for us now to do to remain in covenant with god; and the abrogation of the ten commandments. another issue ^_^)

    present understanding and belief.
    i believe that the jews at the time of jesus had the correct understanding of god’s command of which day and at what time of the day to kill the passover lamb. else, he would have pointed it out to the jewish leadership like he did with their major errors. the passover is a most important feast that there is provision for its observance on the second month if one could not do it on the first month. for them to have been observing this on the wrong day is too grave an error for jesus not to correct them. as he did not, i am confident to believe they were not in error on this one.

    although the gospel accounts show that passover and the feast of unleavened bread were lumped together, the rest of scriptures show that the eating of the unleavened bread had irrefutably been done beginning on the 15th (end of 14th), not at the beginning of the 14th (end of 13th).

    i also believe that jesus did not move the eating of the passover lamb to the 14th. i am convinced beyond any shadow of the doubt that jesus did indeed observe the passover day (the preparation day for the feast of unleavened bread) according to how it was observed in his days including having a last meal with his disciples away from his family as his disciples were not surprised at what they were going through the night except for the washing of the feet and the symbolism attached to the bread and wine. the meal on the night portion of the passover day did not include the lamb which was to be killed “beyn ha arbayim.” what my understanding of what this actually means is covered by scriptures cited below.

    we also read in john’s account that he referred to what jesus had as “supper” (john 13:2) exactly how paul who discussed the feast meal in chapter 5 referred to the last meal jesus had with his disciples as “supper” way late into chapter 11.

    both john and paul are very strong practicing jews. they could not possibly refer to the passover meal as plainly as “supper.”

    on quartodeciman controversy.
    this is an extra biblical history issue. the holy scriptures has enough verses to settle the matter really. and i would take clarification from scriptures as of prime importance above what humans are recorded to have practiced.

    old covenant scriptures considered.
    “exodus 12:6 And ye shall keep it (lamb) up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.”

    in which evening?
    beginning of the 14th or ending of the 14th? i believe exodus 12:14-17 settles this. also, compare exodus 12:18 with lev 23:32. but first let us have the next verse, v.8, in view:

    “Exodus 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.”

    which night?
    again the answer will be clear if vv. 14-17 are considered with Lev 23:6 which clearly says that the feast of unleavened bread starts on the 15th with the command to eat unleavened bread for 7 days starting on this night which is the beginning of the 15th day of the month and at the same time the end of the 14th day of the month. so that night is the first day of unleavened bread, the night portion of the 15th day of the first month (abib).

    “Exodus 12:11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD’S passover.”

    while attired to leave in haste, they were to eat in haste. i would imagine they would not be commanded to be attired as such for two nights only to leave the day after the second night. i say two nights if it is true that the passover lamb was eaten on the 14th while god said he brought the israelites out of egypt on the 15th of nisan (numbers 33:3).

    “Exodus 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.d…”

    which night?
    the night of the 14th or of the 15th? exodus 12:14 clearly shows this has to be the night of the 15th. the night the lord passes over the israelite homes with the blood of the lamb on the door post belongs to the day that the lord instructs to be memorialized. v15 then details that the seven-day eating of unleavened bread will start on this memorial day.

    “Exodus 12:14And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. 15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses…”

    which day?
    14th or 15th? verse 16 below that follows the command to eat unleavend bread for 7 days clearly indicates this day as the first day of the feast of unleavened bread. this day is the morning portion of the very day the lamb was eaten with unleavened bread in the evening portion of that same day.

    “Exodus 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.16And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you…”

    if “on the 14th … at even” means beginning of nisan 14 not towards its end, then unleavened bread will have to be eaten 8 days, not seven. the feast will have to be observed for 8 days starting on the 14th even when the command is to observe the feast starting on the 15th (lev 23:15).

    the command for the day of atonement has similar wording of exodus 12:18. and so also that of the day of atonement. this will have to be observed for two days, not one day even when the command is to observe it on the 10th day of the seventh month:

    “Lev 23:27Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD…Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.”

    which day did god bring the israelites out of egypt?
    back to exodus 12:17

    “Exodus 12:17 And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.”

    considering the flow and context of exodus 12, i can see that “this selfsame day” must refer to the 15th day of the month, not on the 14th.

    apparent conflict.
    you mentioned deut 16:1 vs exodus 12:22
    Deuteronomy 16:1Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.

    searching scriptures for the use of night, here is what i found:

    H3915 [e] lā·yə·lāh. לָֽיְלָה׃ by night Noun
    as close of day, ׳עַדלֿ2

    “Chronicles 35:1Moreover Josiah kept a passover unto the LORD in Jerusalem: and they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month…14And afterward they made ready for themselves, and for the priests: because the priests the sons of Aaron were busied in offering of burnt offerings and the fat until night; therefore the Levites prepared for themselves, and for the priests the sons of Aaron.”

    in v 14, “until night” is still accounted as belonging to the 14th day. this means that “at night” in exodus 12:22 could be of the same time period.

    going back to exodus 12, the time then that the passover lamb was first commanded to be sacrificed was also around the time our Lord was sacrificed for our sins. not only was the day and time the passover lamb was sacrifice was not only symbolic but prophetic; and, fulfilled by our lord for dying on the very same day and perhaps even within the very hours the lambs were sacrificed. (matthew 27:46-50). again, scriptures indicate this is a common practice that jesus had no quarrel with the jews through all the passover observances that he was recorded to have been attending.

    daily sacrifice clue on the meaning of “beyn ha arbahim.”
    the timing of the lambs can be surmised from scriptures. researching on commands for sacrifices in the tanakh yielded the following scriptures:

    “Exodus 29:38 Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually. 39The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even…”

    “Numbers 28:3And thou shalt say unto them, This is the offering made by fire which ye shall offer unto the LORD; two lambs of the first year without spot day by day, for a continual burnt offering.a 4The one lamb shalt thou offer and the other lamb shalt thou offer at even…”

    according to interlinear concordance the word “the one” h259 “hā·’e·ḥāḏ” in this construction found in numbers 28:3 is used as “the first” also in the following verses, evidently because it is talking of more than one of something in an ordinal sense:

    “Genesis 2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold…”

    “Exodus 28:17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.”

    “Exodus 39:10 And they set in it four rows of stones: the first row was a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this was the first row.”

    according to interlinear concordance the word “other” h8145 “hasseni” in the construction found in numbers 28:3 predominantly translated as “the second one”. the link below has the list of 72 verses involving h8145

    h8145 hasseni https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/H8145/sheniy.htm

    therefore, the command is to make two offerings in the same day (day after day). the first was in the morning, the second “at even”. the use of “at even” here then means a time before the biblical “day” is over. this removes the seeming contradiction that might pose over exodus 12:22 (not to leave house before morning) and numbers 33:3 (god brought israelites out of egypt by night) as the first occurred early in the morning (before day break) of the 15th and the second in the late of the day of the 15th (even just before it ends and the 16th begins).

    collecting the egyptian spoils.
    how the israelites were able to “spoil” the egyptians between the time they left their house at day break to the time they left egypt towards the end of the 15th day of the month: and the egyptians could not wait to have them go and the Lord made the israelites in the good graces of the egyptians.

    “Exodus 12:31 And he called for Moses and Aaron by night, and said, Rise up, and get you forth from among my people, both ye and the children of Israel; and go, serve the LORD, as ye have said. 32Also take your flocks and your herds, as ye have said, and be gone; and bless me also. 33And the Egyptians were urgent upon the people, that they might send them out of the land in haste; for they said, We be all dead men. 34And the people took their dough before it was leavened, their kneading troughs being bound up in their clothes upon their shoulders.i 35And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: 36And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them such things as they required. And they spoiled the Egyptians.”

    new covenant scriptures considered.

    i read from scriptures passover used to refer to:
    1. the meal
    “Exodus 12:43 This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof…”
    2. the day
    “Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S passover…”
    3. the sacrificial lamb
    “Exodus 12:21Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.”
    4. lump up the 8-day back-to-back commanded observances:
    “Mark 14:11Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?”

    i then can understand that indeed jesus was observing the passover day with a meal which was to be his last before he becomes the passover sacrifice some 21 hours later.

    in john 18:28 he records that the passover meal was not yet had while jesus was still being dragged around on the 14th. these are dismissed summarily or with mere suppositions that do not have any biblical or extra-biblical support.

    “John 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.”

    if this was an incorrect practice, john would have mentioned it as he normally did when something was misunderstood. moreover, jesus would have vehemently pointed this out during his ministry.

    but why john did not is because he believed it was the correct practice. note what he recorded in chapter 13, five chapters earlier:

    “John 13:1Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. 2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him…”

    and john added in verse 29:

    “John 13:29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.”

    his disciples thought jesus was sending judas to buy what was needed for the feast. this must have reference to what is needed for the passover meal on the 15th.

    frequency of observance
    1 cor 11 this portion of paul’s epistle adds to my understanding that what jesus had that night was indeed what most christian denominations refer to as “the lord’s supper” and correctly understand that this is to be done “as often as.”

    the whole paragraph talks about whenever believers assemble together:

    “17Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but f.or the worse.18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, 20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper. (sarcasm evident) 33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.”

    this clearly speaks of something done with regularity and frequency. the passover is commanded done but once a year. also, eating of the passover lamb is such an important observance that it simply cannot be addressed as “come together to eat period” especially as there is no mention of the passover in the introduction of this section. i can understand this as this was a different meal, it was a commemorative meal of the lord’s death and keeping the blessed hope of his coming again ever alive in a believer’s consciousness. i can understand how beneficial it is to do this as frequently as we observe the weekly sabbath, that symbol of the goal of eternal rest with and in our creator.

    so did jesus change the day, the nature, and the ritual of the passover meal? this is not my understanding. my understanding is that the passover memorial meal is a distinct and separate observance still to be observed on the night of the 15th of nisan as the lord’s supper be observed “as often” (sabbath services) perhaps appropriately also on the 14th of nisan.

    difference between the lord’s supper and the passover meal
    lord’s supper
    observed on nisan 14
    eaten with leavened bread; no lamb
    commemoration of lord’s death and in anticipation of his coming
    commanded by jesus to be observed as often
    observed outside of home with disciples instead of with family
    passover meal
    observed on nisan 15
    lamb eaten with unleavened bread
    commemoration of israel’s liberation from egyptian bondage
    commanded by the creator of heaven and earth to be observed once a year
    commanded observed at home with family

    scriptures record both commemorations were observed by believers long after jesus died, resurrected and ascended into heaven as evidenced by the first epistle of paul to the corinthians (1 cor 5-passover/unleavened bread;1 cor 11-lord’s supper; etc.).

    conclusion
    my understanding from scriptures is that jesus instituted a memorial over his death on the 14th with elements of bread and wine to as symbols of his broken body and shed blood. this is totally separate and different from the passover meal which was a memorial of the israelite freedom from egyptian bondage. this is an occasion for believers to come together as part of the new covenant.

    the passover meal is to be eaten on the 15th of nisan with members of own family and perhaps believing neighbors commemorating the liberation by god’s hand of the israelite from the bondage in egypt and its spiritual symbolism of our liberation by god’s hand from the bondage of sin. this was part of the old covenant. observing these commemorations back-to-back highlights the difference between the two covenants also.

    please let me know what i missed to consider or misunderstood.

  72. grace yow says:

    good morning david!
    thank you for your article on the issue of what jesus had the night of 14th of abib. it was a blessing to find that i am not alone in my understanding of the issue and that you share my position of being open to additional information that helps to arrive at the correct understanding. and yet, until now you are still of the same position, which to me, is a further confirmation that your understanding and mine is correct.
    i am not a biblical scholar so my conclusion so far is arrived at solely from scriptures using concordances and interlinear resources from the internet and prayers for correct understanding.
    the assembly i join for services on sabbaths and holy days observe the “lord’s supper” on the 14th of abib but calls it the “passover”observance and observe the 15th of abib and calls it “the night to be much observed” observance.
    after having read scriptures many times over, i became familiar enough with exodus 12, lev 23 and found our practice not quite according to what i found in scriptures. so, i wrote one of our elders the message below.
    a most blessed sabbath to you,
    really appreciate your pointing out in your sermonette three weeks ago that it is important for the body to understand the reason why we do things so when they are asked they can give scripturally grounded answers.
    thank you for sharing with me that “artos” is used as a common term for bread, leavened or not. this is very good information. you are right. the use of “artos” in luke 24:30, 35 clearly show, beyond any doubt, that artos is used for unleavened bread as well.
    however, my understanding of the scriptures below show that the passover lamb was eaten in the evening of the 15th, not in the evening of the 14th. the only way what the lord could then have on that day unleavened bread is if he moved the eating of the passover lamb to the 14th instead of the 15th.
    the scriptures examined are from both the old and the new convenant writings. (i believe that this was erroneous move of those who compiled scriptures to divide it into new and old. this brought the wrong notion that jesus ushered a new religion (of god of love; not god of revenge, etc). god’s plan of salvation was hatched from the foundation of the world and its complete fulfillment still lies in the future; and, the whole scripture record shows salvation is of him, not of man’s work. the use of “testament” [attested statement of fact] instead of “covenant” [mutual agreement with each party having an obligation to fulfill] also has lead to erroneous belief that there is nothing for us now to do to remain in covenant with god; and the abrogation of the ten commandments. another issue ^_^)
    present understanding and belief.
    i believe that the jews at the time of jesus had the correct understanding of god’s command of which day and at what time of the day to kill the passover lamb. else, he would have pointed it out to the jewish leadership like he did with their major errors. the passover is a most important feast that there is provision for its observance on the second month if one could not do it on the first month. for them to have been observing this on the wrong day is too grave an error for jesus not to correct them. as he did not, i am confident to believe they were not in error on this one.
    although the gospel accounts show that passover and the feast of unleavened bread were lumped together, the rest of scriptures show that the eating of the unleavened bread had irrefutably been done beginning on the 15th (end of 14th), not at the beginning of the 14th (end of 13th).
    i also believe that jesus did not move the eating of the passover lamb to the 14th. i am convinced beyond any shadow of the doubt that jesus did indeed observe the passover day (the preparation day for the feast of unleavened bread) according to how it was observed in his days including having a last meal with his disciples away from his family as his disciples were not surprised at what they were going through the night except for the washing of the feet and the symbolism attached to the bread and wine. the meal on the night portion of the passover day did not include the lamb which was to be killed “beyn ha arbayim.” what my understanding of what this actually means is covered by scriptures cited below.
    we also read in john’s account that he referred to what jesus had as “supper” (john 13:2) exactly how paul who discussed the feast meal in chapter 5 referred to the last meal jesus had with his disciples as “supper” way late into chapter 11.
    both john and paul are very strong practicing jews. they could not possibly refer to the passover meal as plainly as “supper.”
    on quartodeciman controversy.
    this is an extra biblical history issue. the holy scriptures has enough verses to settle the matter really. and i would take clarification from scriptures as of prime importance above what humans are recorded to have practiced.
    old covenant scriptures considered.
    “exodus 12:6 And ye shall keep it (lamb) up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.”
    in which evening?
    beginning of the 14th or ending of the 14th? i believe exodus 12:14-17 settles this. also, compare exodus 12:18 with lev 23:32. but first let us have the next verse, v.8, in view:
    “Exodus 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.”
    which night?
    again the answer will be clear if vv. 14-17 are considered with Lev 23:6 which clearly says that the feast of unleavened bread starts on the 15th with the command to eat unleavened bread for 7 days starting on this night which is the beginning of the 15th day of the month and at the same time the end of the 14th day of the month. so that night is the first day of unleavened bread, the night portion of the 15th day of the first month (abib).
    “Exodus 12:11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD’S passover.”
    while attired to leave in haste, they were to eat in haste. i would imagine they would not be commanded to be attired as such for two nights only to leave the day after the second night. i say two nights if it is true that the passover lamb was eaten on the 14th while god said he brought the israelites out of egypt on the 15th of nisan (numbers 33:3).
    “Exodus 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.d…”
    which night?
    the night of the 14th or of the 15th? exodus 12:14 clearly shows this has to be the night of the 15th. the night the lord passes over the israelite homes with the blood of the lamb on the door post belongs to the day that the lord instructs to be memorialized. v15 then details that the seven-day eating of unleavened bread will start on this memorial day.
    “Exodus 12:14And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. 15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses…”
    which day?
    14th or 15th? verse 16 below that follows the command to eat unleavend bread for 7 days clearly indicates this day as the first day of the feast of unleavened bread. this day is the morning portion of the very day the lamb was eaten with unleavened bread in the evening portion of that same day.
    “Exodus 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.16And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you…”
    if “on the 14th … at even” means beginning of nisan 14 not towards its end, then unleavened bread will have to be eaten 8 days, not seven. the feast will have to be observed for 8 days starting on the 14th even when the command is to observe the feast starting on the 15th (lev 23:15).
    the command for the day of atonement has similar wording of exodus 12:18. and so also that of the day of atonement. this will have to be observed for two days, not one day even when the command is to observe it on the 10th day of the seventh month:
    “Lev 23:27Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD…Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.”
    which day did god bring the israelites out of egypt?
    back to exodus 12:17
    “Exodus 12:17 And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.”
    considering the flow and context of exodus 12, i can see that “this selfsame day” must refer to the 15th day of the month, not on the 14th.
    apparent conflict.
    you mentioned deut 16:1 vs exodus 12:22
    Deuteronomy 16:1Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.
    searching scriptures for the use of night, here is what i found:
    H3915 [e] lā·yə·lāh. לָֽיְלָה׃ by night Noun
    as close of day, ׳עַדלֿ2
    “Chronicles 35:1Moreover Josiah kept a passover unto the LORD in Jerusalem: and they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month…14And afterward they made ready for themselves, and for the priests: because the priests the sons of Aaron were busied in offering of burnt offerings and the fat until night; therefore the Levites prepared for themselves, and for the priests the sons of Aaron.”
    in v 14, “until night” is still accounted as belonging to the 14th day. this means that “at night” in exodus 12:22 could be of the same time period.
    going back to exodus 12, the time then that the passover lamb was first commanded to be sacrificed was also around the time our Lord was sacrificed for our sins. not only was the day and time the passover lamb was sacrifice was not only symbolic but prophetic; and, fulfilled by our lord for dying on the very same day and perhaps even within the very hours the lambs were sacrificed. (matthew 27:46-50). again, scriptures indicate this is a common practice that jesus had no quarrel with the jews through all the passover observances that he was recorded to have been attending.
    daily sacrifice clue on the meaning of “beyn ha arbahim.”
    the timing of the lambs can be surmised from scriptures. researching on commands for sacrifices in the tanakh yielded the following scriptures:
    “Exodus 29:38 Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually. 39The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even…”
    “Numbers 28:3And thou shalt say unto them, This is the offering made by fire which ye shall offer unto the LORD; two lambs of the first year without spot day by day, for a continual burnt offering.a 4The one lamb shalt thou offer and the other lamb shalt thou offer at even…”
    according to interlinear concordance the word “the one” h259 “hā·’e·ḥāḏ” in this construction found in numbers 28:3 is used as “the first” also in the following verses, evidently because it is talking of more than one of something in an ordinal sense:
    “Genesis 2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold…”
    “Exodus 28:17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.”
    “Exodus 39:10 And they set in it four rows of stones: the first row was a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this was the first row.”
    according to interlinear concordance the word “other” h8145 “hasseni” in the construction found in numbers 28:3 predominantly translated as “the second one”. the link below has the list of 72 verses involving h8145
    h8145 hasseni https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/H8145/sheniy.htm
    therefore, the command is to make two offerings in the same day (day after day). the first was in the morning, the second “at even”. the use of “at even” here then means a time before the biblical “day” is over. this removes the seeming contradiction that might pose over exodus 12:22 (not to leave house before morning) and numbers 33:3 (god brought israelites out of egypt by night) as the first occurred early in the morning (before day break) of the 15th and the second in the late of the day of the 15th (even just before it ends and the 16th begins).
    collecting the egyptian spoils.
    how the israelites were able to “spoil” the egyptians between the time they left their house at day break to the time they left egypt towards the end of the 15th day of the month: and the egyptians could not wait to have them go and the Lord made the israelites in the good graces of the egyptians.
    “Exodus 12:31 And he called for Moses and Aaron by night, and said, Rise up, and get you forth from among my people, both ye and the children of Israel; and go, serve the LORD, as ye have said. 32Also take your flocks and your herds, as ye have said, and be gone; and bless me also. 33And the Egyptians were urgent upon the people, that they might send them out of the land in haste; for they said, We be all dead men. 34And the people took their dough before it was leavened, their kneading troughs being bound up in their clothes upon their shoulders.i 35And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: 36And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them such things as they required. And they spoiled the Egyptians.”
    new covenant scriptures considered.
    i read from scriptures passover used to refer to:
    1. the meal
    “Exodus 12:43 This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof…”
    2. the day
    “Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S passover…”
    3. the sacrificial lamb
    “Exodus 12:21Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.”
    4. lump up the 8-day back-to-back commanded observances:
    “Mark 14:11Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?”
    i then can understand that indeed jesus was observing the passover day with a meal which was to be his last before he becomes the passover sacrifice some 21 hours later.
    in john 18:28 he records that the passover meal was not yet had while jesus was still being dragged around on the 14th. these are dismissed summarily or with mere suppositions that do not have any biblical or extra-biblical support.
    “John 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.”
    if this was an incorrect practice, john would have mentioned it as he normally did when something was misunderstood. moreover, jesus would have vehemently pointed this out during his ministry.
    but why john did not is because he believed it was the correct practice. note what he recorded in chapter 13, five chapters earlier:
    “John 13:1Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. 2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him…”
    and john added in verse 29:
    “John 13:29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.”
    his disciples thought jesus was sending judas to buy what was needed for the feast. this must have reference to what is needed for the passover meal on the 15th.
    frequency of observance
    1 cor 11 this portion of paul’s epistle adds to my understanding that what jesus had that night was indeed what most christian denominations refer to as “the lord’s supper” and correctly understand that this is to be done “as often as.”
    the whole paragraph talks about whenever believers assemble together:
    “17Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but f.or the worse.18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, 20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper. (sarcasm evident) 33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.”
    this clearly speaks of something done with regularity and frequency. the passover is commanded done but once a year. also, eating of the passover lamb is such an important observance that it simply cannot be addressed as “come together to eat period” especially as there is no mention of the passover in the introduction of this section. i can understand this as this was a different meal, it was a commemorative meal of the lord’s death and keeping the blessed hope of his coming again ever alive in a believer’s consciousness. i can understand how beneficial it is to do this as frequently as we observe the weekly sabbath, that symbol of the goal of eternal rest with and in our creator.
    so did jesus change the day, the nature, and the ritual of the passover meal? this is not my understanding. my understanding is that the passover memorial meal is a distinct and separate observance still to be observed on the night of the 15th of nisan as the lord’s supper be observed “as often” (sabbath services) perhaps appropriately also on the 14th of nisan.
    difference between the lord’s supper and the passover meal
    lord’s supper
    observed on nisan 14
    eaten with leavened bread; no lamb
    commemoration of lord’s death and in anticipation of his coming
    commanded by jesus to be observed as often
    observed outside of home with disciples instead of with family
    passover meal
    observed on nisan 15
    lamb eaten with unleavened bread
    commemoration of israel’s liberation from egyptian bondage
    commanded by the creator of heaven and earth to be observed once a year
    commanded observed at home with family
    scriptures record both commemorations were observed by believers long after jesus died, resurrected and ascended into heaven as evidenced by the first epistle of paul to the corinthians (1 cor 5-passover/unleavened bread;1 cor 11-lord’s supper; etc.).
    conclusion
    my understanding from scriptures is that jesus instituted a memorial over his death on the 14th with elements of bread and wine to as symbols of his broken body and shed blood. this is totally separate and different from the passover meal which was a memorial of the israelite freedom from egyptian bondage. this is an occasion for believers to come together as part of the new covenant.
    the passover meal is to be eaten on the 15th of nisan with members of own family and perhaps believing neighbors commemorating the liberation by god’s hand of the israelite from the bondage in egypt and its spiritual symbolism of our liberation by god’s hand from the bondage of sin. this was part of the old covenant. observing these commemorations back-to-back highlights the difference between the two covenants also.
    please let me know what i missed to consider or misunderstood.

  73. Virginia Phillips says:

    According to Jeremiah 31:31 – “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.”

    Jesus, who was God walking the earth in the flesh, waited until the night of the Passover to make his new covenant. This is clearly seen in Matthew 26:17 – 28. The Last Supper was the Passover. Jesus was the reality of the Passover lamb. When establishing the new covenant, Jesus told his disciples that the Passover bread was his spiritual flesh and the Passover wine was is spiritual blood for the forgiveness of sins and the promise of eternal life.

    Roman Emperor Constantine abolished God’s new covenant Passover in 325 AD, but it was restored in 1948 when Jesus (God) walked the earth a second time.

  74. Virginia Phillips says:

    According to Jeremiah 31:31 – “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.”
    Jesus, who was God walking the earth in the flesh, waited until the night of the Passover to make his new covenant. This is clearly seen in Matthew 26:17 – 28. The Last Supper was the Passover. Jesus was the reality of the Passover lamb. When establishing the new covenant, Jesus told his disciples that the Passover bread was his spiritual flesh and the Passover wine was is spiritual blood for the forgiveness of sins and the promise of eternal life.
    Roman Emperor Constantine abolished God’s new covenant Passover in 325 AD, but it was restored in 1948 when Jesus (God) walked the earth a second time.

  75. Rick says:

    You say the rabbinic seder was not developed until after 70CE. Could there not have been pre-Mishnaic traditions or rituals that the authors drew upon?

    So if not a seder, that what was the Last Supper? A “pre-seder” as I’ve read there might have been?

  76. Rick says:

    You say the rabbinic seder was not developed until after 70CE. Could there not have been pre-Mishnaic traditions or rituals that the authors drew upon?
    So if not a seder, that what was the Last Supper? A “pre-seder” as I’ve read there might have been?

  77. Alan Corrie says:

    Why did you not mention (in your excellent UPDATE article …. above), the recent book by Dr Brant Pitre:- “Jesus & the Jewish roots of the Eucharist: unlocking the secrets of the Last Supper”, Feb 2016, 256pp pb, 0385531869 ?????
    P.S. it was published in 2015 in HB
    Alan Corrie

  78. Alan Corrie says:

    Why did you not mention (in your excellent UPDATE article …. above), the recent book by Dr Brant Pitre:- “Jesus & the Jewish roots of the Eucharist: unlocking the secrets of the Last Supper”, Feb 2016, 256pp pb, 0385531869 ?????
    P.S. it was published in 2015 in HB
    Alan Corrie

  79. davidw284 says:

    Jonathan,

    I believe you are correct; the Last Supper was not a Passover Seder.

    I am a Christian with little to no true undtanding of Jewish Laws and Customs. To me the New Testament accounts in light of the Torah and Prophets is pretty clear; the Seder is after Sundown on Passover after the Lamb is sacrificed.

    Since Jesus was captured in the early morning hours on Passover, the meal the night before couldn’t be a Seder. Also, since Jesus was sacrificed on Passover, the meal the night before couldn’t be the Seder. These are just two examples that stand out to me in support of your conclusion.

    To me, the worst thing to happen to Christianity over the last 2 millenia was Constantin. By me king Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire and banning Christian and Jewish interaction we Christians have completely lost our Jewish/Israeli heritage. Thank the LORD for HIS Spirit opening the eyes of the Faithful in both religions. For the first time we see Jews and Christians coming together in Biblical Truth.

    Thank you for your wonderful articles,

    Dave

  80. davidw284 says:

    Jonathan,
    I believe you are correct; the Last Supper was not a Passover Seder.
    I am a Christian with little to no true undtanding of Jewish Laws and Customs. To me the New Testament accounts in light of the Torah and Prophets is pretty clear; the Seder is after Sundown on Passover after the Lamb is sacrificed.
    Since Jesus was captured in the early morning hours on Passover, the meal the night before couldn’t be a Seder. Also, since Jesus was sacrificed on Passover, the meal the night before couldn’t be the Seder. These are just two examples that stand out to me in support of your conclusion.
    To me, the worst thing to happen to Christianity over the last 2 millenia was Constantin. By me king Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire and banning Christian and Jewish interaction we Christians have completely lost our Jewish/Israeli heritage. Thank the LORD for HIS Spirit opening the eyes of the Faithful in both religions. For the first time we see Jews and Christians coming together in Biblical Truth.
    Thank you for your wonderful articles,
    Dave

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  1. Bob C says:

    Jonathan Klawans writes:
    “There is a real difference between John and the synoptics on this question, …”

    So many people have believed that there is a difference in chronologies between the Synoptics and John. It’s just not so! The chronologies are in complete agreement, if one only reads what is written and not what they think is written.

    ————————-

    For over 40 years, I believed that the Last Supper was not the biblical time for keeping Passover. About 35 years ago, I was compelled to study the issue in depth. My findings resulted in my need to change my practices for keeping Passover.

    But since my Church believed that the Jews were in error, I could not use Jewish writings or commentaries as proof of the correct time. Thus, I had to rely upon the Bible, almost exclusively.

    I did find the biblical proof that supports the Passover to be at the time of Jesus Christ’s death, and therefore, he could not have eaten it the night before.

    Since then, I’ve found many proofs to support that conclusion. Here are two:
    * Jesus said he would, by no means, eat this Passover (Luke 22:15-16).
    * Jesus told his disciples to “prepare the passover” on the 13th–contrary to the command of God (Matthew 26:19-20; Mark 14:13-17) {“prepare the passover”, of course, was assumed to mean the killing of the Passover lamb; but that is proved contradictory in the end.}

    When we understand that what Jesus meant by “this Passover” was in reference to the next day, not that meal set before him, the synchronicity of the Gospel accounts begins to clear.

  2. Veper K says:

    I agree that Christ didn’t eat the Passover Seder that year because He WAS to be the Passover Lamb. The Last Supper was not Passover Seder. It was the establishing of the New Covenant, which is Himself, i.e. “…new testament in my blood”.
    His death was the end of the Old Covenant. He lamented about desiring to eat this Passover with them, knowing He wouldn’t because He would die before the meal w

    Since the 7 feasts are “shadows” of the realities that were (Passover, Unleavened Bread, Wave Sheaf and Pentecost) and are to be (Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles) fulfilled by Christ. They are important markers of the ministrations of Christ in Plan of Salvation.

    I have read different write-ups about the dates, customs, calendars, etc, and they confuse my simple mind. So I look at what happened to Christ and see the spiritual intent behind each of the fulfilled spring festivals.

  3. Oscar Scott Oliver says:

    Many years ago, my teacher, Rabbi Mayer Gruber, mentioned that in the Book of Jubilees there is mention of different Jewish calendars. He thought that might be a helpful approach to the conflict between the Synoptics and the Gospel of John. That is the Gospel of John is using the Jerusalem Temple calendar and the Synoptics are using a different Jewish calendar.

  4. Mike says:

    Why is every element of last supper confirmation that the last supper was not pesach, ie no lamb to eat, they wandered outside after meal, priests not commanded to slaughter lambs till the next day, bread is daily bread “ artos ” not unleavened “ lechem bread, contest rules out that it had to be unleavened ( could be but not required, pesach is family meal, , sandals on and ready becomes shoes off we some washing to do, when did the disciples go to prepare??? On the 13 or 14th of first month??? I can go forever because His paths are beyond tracing::::—- my question is , who started this nonsense anyways—-some one find a flaw in what I present….not something that just needs further diving into the text…tell me something from the scriptures that need the substance to to become an element in the shadow picture…???

  5. Damon Casale says:

    The reason why the synoptic gospels appear to be against John, in terms of when the Passover was kept, is because of a basic misunderstanding of how Passover evolved from its beginnings with Moses, down through to the first century.

    The original Passover was celebrated *on the evening beginning Nisan 14th*, when the death angel passed through Egypt. The following evening was the “night to be much observed” and marked the beginning of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a feast which lasted for a total of seven days. The original Passover was a family affair, kept at home.

    In the time of King Hezekiah and again in the time of King Josiah, when the purity of the Israelites was an issue because of their sins, both Hezekiah and Josiah instituted a national observance. This observance required that the Israelites come to the Temple so that the priests could sacrifice the Passover lambs on their behalf, to avoid the issues with ritually impure people sacrificing their own Passover lambs and eating them at home.

    This observance, together with the Feast of Unleavened Bread, was renamed “Passover”. The instructions in Deuteronomy 16 for the Feast of Unleavened Bread were edited to reflect the new usage of the term “Passover.” Here, we are told that the Israelites are to “sacrifice the Passover” in the “place where the Lord shall choose to place his name there” (Deut. 16:2) — e.g. in Jerusalem, at the Temple.

    In Jesus’ day, there were many Jews who observed the national Passover by sacrificing at the Temple on the afternoon of Nisan 14th (in the bible, days are reckoned as beginning at evening and going from one evening to the next, so this afternoon was after the *evening* portion of Nisan 14th). But, there were also many Jews who kept the home-based observance. Jesus and his followers were among them.

    The Gospel account of John noting that the day Jesus was crucified was the “preparation day of the Passover”. It was simply the “preparation day” of the national observance that began that evening. But Jesus and his followers had already eaten a Passover seder the previous night.

  6. Damon Casale says:

    The reason why the synoptic gospels appear to be against John, in terms of when the Passover was kept, is because of a basic misunderstanding of how Passover evolved from its beginnings with Moses, down through to the first century.
    The original Passover was celebrated *on the evening beginning Nisan 14th*, when the death angel passed through Egypt. The following evening was the “night to be much observed” and marked the beginning of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a feast which lasted for a total of seven days. The original Passover was a family affair, kept at home.
    In the time of King Hezekiah and again in the time of King Josiah, when the purity of the Israelites was an issue because of their sins, both Hezekiah and Josiah instituted a national observance. This observance required that the Israelites come to the Temple so that the priests could sacrifice the Passover lambs on their behalf, to avoid the issues with ritually impure people sacrificing their own Passover lambs and eating them at home.
    This observance, together with the Feast of Unleavened Bread, was renamed “Passover”. The instructions in Deuteronomy 16 for the Feast of Unleavened Bread were edited to reflect the new usage of the term “Passover.” Here, we are told that the Israelites are to “sacrifice the Passover” in the “place where the Lord shall choose to place his name there” (Deut. 16:2) — e.g. in Jerusalem, at the Temple.
    In Jesus’ day, there were many Jews who observed the national Passover by sacrificing at the Temple on the afternoon of Nisan 14th (in the bible, days are reckoned as beginning at evening and going from one evening to the next, so this afternoon was after the *evening* portion of Nisan 14th). But, there were also many Jews who kept the home-based observance. Jesus and his followers were among them.
    The Gospel account of John noting that the day Jesus was crucified was the “preparation day of the Passover”. It was simply the “preparation day” of the national observance that began that evening. But Jesus and his followers had already eaten a Passover seder the previous night.

  7. Roger Walkwitz says:

    Luke is very clear that the Last Supper WAS a genuine Passover Seder. This is our starting point. It is also the most complete record: Kiddush wine to start with, matzah broken and passed around (No Afikomen!!), a supper with the lamb that the disciples had procured and probably included the bitter herbs required in Exodus, and the glass of wine after the supper. This is the heart of the Seder. It is complete as is and can be used today. The current 15 part Seder and Haggadah narration booklet, if developed at Yavneh after 70 CE, then here is my conclusion: the 3-part matzah tas and 3 pieces of matzah, with the host breaking the middle one in two parts, passing one part around to be eaten and the other ‘buried’ in a napkin for later on after the supper to become the Afikomen…. all of this was started by Messianic Believers in Yeshua not very long after the Resurrection to illustrate the death, burial and Resurrection of Yeshua!! How did this become part of the Rabbinic Passover Seder?? The influence of the Messianic Believers in Jerusalem became very strong as their numbers approached a significant percentage of the Jerusalem population. For the most part, the Messianics were respected by the population and persecution came and went. James (Yaacov), leader of the Jerusalem Messianic Synagogue, was highly respected by the people to the point of jealousy such that he was murdered by non-believing Jewish leadership. I believe the 15 part Seder came from the Messianic Jewish Synagogue and was used widely by the population such that by post 70 CE, it had become the standard. The revamp of Judaism into the Rabbinic at Yavneh by Yochanan ben Zakhai & Co just continued on with the 15 part Seder that had become the standard by that time.

  8. Roger Walkwitz says:

    Luke is very clear that the Last Supper WAS a genuine Passover Seder. This is our starting point. It is also the most complete record: Kiddush wine to start with, matzah broken and passed around (No Afikomen!!), a supper with the lamb that the disciples had procured and probably included the bitter herbs required in Exodus, and the glass of wine after the supper. This is the heart of the Seder. It is complete as is and can be used today. The current 15 part Seder and Haggadah narration booklet, if developed at Yavneh after 70 CE, then here is my conclusion: the 3-part matzah tas and 3 pieces of matzah, with the host breaking the middle one in two parts, passing one part around to be eaten and the other ‘buried’ in a napkin for later on after the supper to become the Afikomen…. all of this was started by Messianic Believers in Yeshua not very long after the Resurrection to illustrate the death, burial and Resurrection of Yeshua!! How did this become part of the Rabbinic Passover Seder?? The influence of the Messianic Believers in Jerusalem became very strong as their numbers approached a significant percentage of the Jerusalem population. For the most part, the Messianics were respected by the population and persecution came and went. James (Yaacov), leader of the Jerusalem Messianic Synagogue, was highly respected by the people to the point of jealousy such that he was murdered by non-believing Jewish leadership. I believe the 15 part Seder came from the Messianic Jewish Synagogue and was used widely by the population such that by post 70 CE, it had become the standard. The revamp of Judaism into the Rabbinic at Yavneh by Yochanan ben Zakhai & Co just continued on with the 15 part Seder that had become the standard by that time.

  9. Jim glinski says:

    Jesus and his group may have been the only ones that had passover right if the original Passover was under the sun calendar not these used to day . here’s a little proof when Moses and Aron were called out of there homes just after midnight Aron should have died if under today’s standards but he didn’t because under the sun calendar it was morning .there seems to be a concerted effort to hide this .but to do so would mean that possible truth might be lost . to walk with god you walk in truth and sacrificial love not not hiding it thru extortion .jim

  10. Jim glinski says:

    Jesus and his group may have been the only ones that had passover right if the original Passover was under the sun calendar not these used to day . here’s a little proof when Moses and Aron were called out of there homes just after midnight Aron should have died if under today’s standards but he didn’t because under the sun calendar it was morning .there seems to be a concerted effort to hide this .but to do so would mean that possible truth might be lost . to walk with god you walk in truth and sacrificial love not not hiding it thru extortion .jim

  11. Robert Buck says:

    The Seder during the time of Jesus was done on the wrong day. Jesus’s Seder was done on the correct day according to Exodus 12. The Jews had the Paschal Supper on the first day of Unleavened Bread or the day after Passover, which was not according to the Law of Moses. John’s gospel takes note of the Jews’ inconsistencies of the time and changes the name from the LORD’s Passover to the Jewish Passover. If Jesus didn’t keep the commands to eat the Passover on the correct day he broke the Law of Moses and was a sinner and not the Messiah.

  12. Robert Buck says:

    The Seder during the time of Jesus was done on the wrong day. Jesus’s Seder was done on the correct day according to Exodus 12. The Jews had the Paschal Supper on the first day of Unleavened Bread or the day after Passover, which was not according to the Law of Moses. John’s gospel takes note of the Jews’ inconsistencies of the time and changes the name from the LORD’s Passover to the Jewish Passover. If Jesus didn’t keep the commands to eat the Passover on the correct day he broke the Law of Moses and was a sinner and not the Messiah.

  13. Frank` says:

    Just Looking for something in English … All responses and explanations have Biblical language Which I cant understand. I want to know the truth of Gods past How come every where I go Nobody has a real or true answer To my question WHEN did Jesus die And When did he rise Come on We have lived for Centuries And don”t have an Answer >>>> Really ???

  14. Frank` says:

    Just Looking for something in English … All responses and explanations have Biblical language Which I cant understand. I want to know the truth of Gods past How come every where I go Nobody has a real or true answer To my question WHEN did Jesus die And When did he rise Come on We have lived for Centuries And don”t have an Answer >>>> Really ???

    1. Dr. Matt Johnson says:

      Visit this link for some information based on the scriptures about when did Jesus die. Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week – Sunday. https://brotheryo.blogspot.com/2013/03/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html

  15. Dan Murphy says:

    Luke 22:7-23New International Version (NIV)

    The Last Supper
    7 Then came the day of UNLEAVENED BREAD on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”

    9 “Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked.

    10 He replied, “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, 11 and say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 12 He will show you a large room upstairs, all furnished. Make preparations there.”

    13 They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.

    14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”

    17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”

    19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

    20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.[a] 21 But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. 22 The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!” 23 They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this.

    Footnotes:
    This seems quite clear to me. The last supper was the passover meal. The scriptures DO mention unleavened bread and wine. Jesus was the lamb to be slain. Why the debate?

    1. Daniel O'Connell says:

      I note as well that as the Passover feast and ceremonies were well known they would not have been repeated in any detail in the gospel but clearly the “bones” of the celebration is obvious in the text.

  16. Dan Murphy says:

    Luke 22:7-23New International Version (NIV)
    The Last Supper
    7 Then came the day of UNLEAVENED BREAD on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
    9 “Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked.
    10 He replied, “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, 11 and say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 12 He will show you a large room upstairs, all furnished. Make preparations there.”
    13 They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.
    14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
    17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
    19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
    20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.[a] 21 But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. 22 The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!” 23 They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this.
    Footnotes:
    This seems quite clear to me. The last supper was the passover meal. The scriptures DO mention unleavened bread and wine. Jesus was the lamb to be slain. Why the debate?

  17. Chris C. says:

    It’s perhaps worth noting that in Eastern Christian tradition its John’s chronology that’s strictly followed and the Last Supper has never been thought of as a seder. The idea that it should be renders the entire Quartodecimian controversy unintelligible.

    Although the Gospels refer to the Passover as the “Day of Unleavened Bread” (ἡμέρᾳ τῶν ἀζύμων) they never once refer to the bread Jesus declared to be his body as unleavened. It’s always just plain bread, ἄρτος. This is by no means conclusive, but it means that leavened bread was at least possibly served. If so, that rules out a seder entirely.

    I can’t quite get my head around “Passoverization”. English, with its peculiar Germanic name for the Christian feast, masks a fact that’s obvious to a Greek-speaking Christian, that Passover and Easter are in origin identical celebrations. The Greek word for both is the same, πάσχα. (Hence the KJV’s anachronistic translation of πάσχα as “Easter” in Acts 12:4.) It’s at least as possible that the two *diverged* over time, not converged, a process enshrined by the decision about the calendar at Nicaea.

    While the Last Supper was obviously not a seder, it bears quite noticeable similarities to the Hasidic tradition of the tish. (A celebratory meal shared by a rebbe with his followers, who eat from his plate as a blessing, together with a sermon and hymns.) But projecting the tish into antiquity seems an impossibility, unless there are records of similar practices of which I’m unaware.

  18. Chris C. says:

    It’s perhaps worth noting that in Eastern Christian tradition its John’s chronology that’s strictly followed and the Last Supper has never been thought of as a seder. The idea that it should be renders the entire Quartodecimian controversy unintelligible.
    Although the Gospels refer to the Passover as the “Day of Unleavened Bread” (ἡμέρᾳ τῶν ἀζύμων) they never once refer to the bread Jesus declared to be his body as unleavened. It’s always just plain bread, ἄρτος. This is by no means conclusive, but it means that leavened bread was at least possibly served. If so, that rules out a seder entirely.
    I can’t quite get my head around “Passoverization”. English, with its peculiar Germanic name for the Christian feast, masks a fact that’s obvious to a Greek-speaking Christian, that Passover and Easter are in origin identical celebrations. The Greek word for both is the same, πάσχα. (Hence the KJV’s anachronistic translation of πάσχα as “Easter” in Acts 12:4.) It’s at least as possible that the two *diverged* over time, not converged, a process enshrined by the decision about the calendar at Nicaea.
    While the Last Supper was obviously not a seder, it bears quite noticeable similarities to the Hasidic tradition of the tish. (A celebratory meal shared by a rebbe with his followers, who eat from his plate as a blessing, together with a sermon and hymns.) But projecting the tish into antiquity seems an impossibility, unless there are records of similar practices of which I’m unaware.

  19. julesathome says:

    So you say. DaVinci was a crafty man if ideas

  20. julesathome says:

    So you say. DaVinci was a crafty man if ideas

  21. Liz Rhodes says:

    I’m coming to the same conclusion. The Last Supper was a covenant meal. Yeshua spoke of the bread as his body and the wine as his blood. He himself said they were the body and blood of the NEW COVENANT referring to JerimiAh 31. They knew exactly what he was referring to. His death would be the covenant sacrifice, God made a covenant with himself and became the sacrifice and invites everyone to partake. The stage was Passover.

  22. Liz Rhodes says:

    I’m coming to the same conclusion. The Last Supper was a covenant meal. Yeshua spoke of the bread as his body and the wine as his blood. He himself said they were the body and blood of the NEW COVENANT referring to JerimiAh 31. They knew exactly what he was referring to. His death would be the covenant sacrifice, God made a covenant with himself and became the sacrifice and invites everyone to partake. The stage was Passover.

  23. Shofarel Pristoop says:

    Respectfully I completely disagree. You should attend a Passover Seder with proper explanation by Jewish believers in Messiah. Like many traditions given by God that point to His plan of reconciliation with His creation, the Passover is vital to God’s kick off, followed by the rest of the mo’dim in Leviticus 23 which all prophetically point to the first and second coming of Messiah. I know the last Seder that Jesus spent with his disciples was done before the actual Seder date. However, the Messiah was teaching his disciples an object lesson and introducing them to the meaning of the rituals, like communion, they had done all their life but did not understand until revealed. Just as Abraham and Isaac had no idea why God want Abraham to sacrifice Isaac–they simply were being obedient to His commands. Yet 2000 years later we see the perfect picture of substitutionary atonement in their ritual and obedience. Jesus said that we are to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Why? Because if you are adopted into a Jewish family you must take a mikveh and are dunked three times. Jesus revealed what the three dunks meant when Gentiles came into the commonwealth of Israel. Jesus spent his earthly life explaining the Torah properly. “You have heard it said that…but I say …” The meal which he ate with his disciples before being arrested was certainly a Seder meal where he explained why we do what we do and how it relates to the Passover, how it related to the Passion, and how we are to celebrate.

  24. Shofarel Pristoop says:

    Respectfully I completely disagree. You should attend a Passover Seder with proper explanation by Jewish believers in Messiah. Like many traditions given by God that point to His plan of reconciliation with His creation, the Passover is vital to God’s kick off, followed by the rest of the mo’dim in Leviticus 23 which all prophetically point to the first and second coming of Messiah. I know the last Seder that Jesus spent with his disciples was done before the actual Seder date. However, the Messiah was teaching his disciples an object lesson and introducing them to the meaning of the rituals, like communion, they had done all their life but did not understand until revealed. Just as Abraham and Isaac had no idea why God want Abraham to sacrifice Isaac–they simply were being obedient to His commands. Yet 2000 years later we see the perfect picture of substitutionary atonement in their ritual and obedience. Jesus said that we are to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Why? Because if you are adopted into a Jewish family you must take a mikveh and are dunked three times. Jesus revealed what the three dunks meant when Gentiles came into the commonwealth of Israel. Jesus spent his earthly life explaining the Torah properly. “You have heard it said that…but I say …” The meal which he ate with his disciples before being arrested was certainly a Seder meal where he explained why we do what we do and how it relates to the Passover, how it related to the Passion, and how we are to celebrate.

  25. C L Couch says:

    When I was a child, I learned about the final meal that Jesus had with his disciples as, well, a meal. Later I began hearing about that meal being Passover Seder. And still later that the Seder could be Christianized, so to speak, in order to appreciate the presence of Jesus within.

    If Jesus is in the Seder, it’s because he is in everything. It’s because the claim he makes is real: “Before Abraham was, I am.”

    I am thankful for this sensible take on the issue of Passover rites happening during the Passion. It complements the telling I was first given and matches what skill I might have in reasoning now.

  26. C L Couch says:

    When I was a child, I learned about the final meal that Jesus had with his disciples as, well, a meal. Later I began hearing about that meal being Passover Seder. And still later that the Seder could be Christianized, so to speak, in order to appreciate the presence of Jesus within.
    If Jesus is in the Seder, it’s because he is in everything. It’s because the claim he makes is real: “Before Abraham was, I am.”
    I am thankful for this sensible take on the issue of Passover rites happening during the Passion. It complements the telling I was first given and matches what skill I might have in reasoning now.

  27. Rev. Stephen H. Funck says:

    The people of Israel had been celebrating Passover for 1400 years. What we have written is a while after Jesus’s day and by the educated. It was become the standard. Jesus would have had a Galilean peasant version. Seder means something like order of events, outline, The order is ancient. The language was growing more stylized so even the wording would have had many similarities. Everyone celebrated this meal every year. It would have been unthinkable, denial of the faith, for anyone to omit it. Jesus and His followers could not have any claim to religious leadership if they did not celebrate Passover. That means their families, friends, everyone with Jesus – maybe over 200 did. It was the great family event. All were there. Jesus and the 12 would have been in a circle around the plates, with everyone else in circles around. See Book 3 Chapter 4 “The Last Supper http://thesignofconcord.com/King_of_Kings_3_FEC0.php with supporting footnotes

  28. Rev. Stephen H. Funck says:

    The people of Israel had been celebrating Passover for 1400 years. What we have written is a while after Jesus’s day and by the educated. It was become the standard. Jesus would have had a Galilean peasant version. Seder means something like order of events, outline, The order is ancient. The language was growing more stylized so even the wording would have had many similarities. Everyone celebrated this meal every year. It would have been unthinkable, denial of the faith, for anyone to omit it. Jesus and His followers could not have any claim to religious leadership if they did not celebrate Passover. That means their families, friends, everyone with Jesus – maybe over 200 did. It was the great family event. All were there. Jesus and the 12 would have been in a circle around the plates, with everyone else in circles around. See Book 3 Chapter 4 “The Last Supper http://thesignofconcord.com/King_of_Kings_3_FEC0.php with supporting footnotes

  29. CD says:

    Sorry Grace (March 13) But Exodus 12:18 is as plain as it gets when Passover is. It’s the First month, on the 14th of the month at evening. The Jews ate the lamb, biter herbs, and the unleavened bread on the evening of the 14th. Which evening? The evening of the 14th begins at 12:00am of the 14th. Because the day begins with evening then day. Jesus celebrated Passover on the evening of the 14th. As we see above the Jews ate the lamb, biter herbs, and unleavened bread on the evening of the 14th per Exodus 12:18. It don’t get any plainer than that. Maybe they didn’t celebrate a “Seder like today” in Jesus’ time but He did celebrate The Passover Meal on the evening of the 14th.” I might add that we should not get hung up on the word translated “Supper.” the Greek word meant the evening meal. It was translated “Supper.” This is what my parents called dinner when I was growing up. The same word could have been translated “dinner” or evening meal. Stop straining at a gnat.

  30. CD says:

    Sorry Grace (March 13) But Exodus 12:18 is as plain as it gets when Passover is. It’s the First month, on the 14th of the month at evening. The Jews ate the lamb, biter herbs, and the unleavened bread on the evening of the 14th. Which evening? The evening of the 14th begins at 12:00am of the 14th. Because the day begins with evening then day. Jesus celebrated Passover on the evening of the 14th. As we see above the Jews ate the lamb, biter herbs, and unleavened bread on the evening of the 14th per Exodus 12:18. It don’t get any plainer than that. Maybe they didn’t celebrate a “Seder like today” in Jesus’ time but He did celebrate The Passover Meal on the evening of the 14th.” I might add that we should not get hung up on the word translated “Supper.” the Greek word meant the evening meal. It was translated “Supper.” This is what my parents called dinner when I was growing up. The same word could have been translated “dinner” or evening meal. Stop straining at a gnat.

  31. ilan bergman says:

    Since Passover had nothing to do with repentance, sin, or salvation it really does not matter what kind of meal this messianic pretender ate for his last meal.

  32. ilan bergman says:

    Since Passover had nothing to do with repentance, sin, or salvation it really does not matter what kind of meal this messianic pretender ate for his last meal.

  33. Ryan says:

    Apparently, the author of this piece, has never really studied the original languages, nor the geography, or demographics of Ysrael between 1,000BCE and 350AD. When Constantine established Byzantium, his kingdom was full of pagans and Ysraelite disciples (Hebrew disciples NEVER spoke Greek before 70AD). We do not possess the original “autographs” of the 15 apostles (Barnabas, Shawl, and Apollos, etc.), and for ANYONE to make the stupid assumption that the original authors spoke anything but Hebrew, is idiotic. There is NO historical evidence that they spoke anything but Hebrew. Any information you have stating otherwise is an “opinion” of the Roman Vatican Church established by Constantine, who ORDERED the original “autographs” to be translated to Greek for his kingdom, but not before he “destroyed” the original copies. The DSS was the final attempt to “conceal the documents” where Constantine would never find them. Secondly; Ysrael observed Hebraic traditions clear up until 70ad (Yahwshwa Messiah was a Yahwdahy), and His “death” was prophesied by the Seder meal, His resurrection was “prophesied” by the “Unleavened Bread” and His “ascension” was prophesied by the Feast of Harvest (Shawot). Only an imbecile would claim otherwise. Clearly, the author has no knowledge of the Hebraic traditions, and chooses to keep his pagan traditions. FYI, “Fish for Lent” is a meat you morons, all proteins are a “meat.”

  34. Ryan says:

    Apparently, the author of this piece, has never really studied the original languages, nor the geography, or demographics of Ysrael between 1,000BCE and 350AD. When Constantine established Byzantium, his kingdom was full of pagans and Ysraelite disciples (Hebrew disciples NEVER spoke Greek before 70AD). We do not possess the original “autographs” of the 15 apostles (Barnabas, Shawl, and Apollos, etc.), and for ANYONE to make the stupid assumption that the original authors spoke anything but Hebrew, is idiotic. There is NO historical evidence that they spoke anything but Hebrew. Any information you have stating otherwise is an “opinion” of the Roman Vatican Church established by Constantine, who ORDERED the original “autographs” to be translated to Greek for his kingdom, but not before he “destroyed” the original copies. The DSS was the final attempt to “conceal the documents” where Constantine would never find them. Secondly; Ysrael observed Hebraic traditions clear up until 70ad (Yahwshwa Messiah was a Yahwdahy), and His “death” was prophesied by the Seder meal, His resurrection was “prophesied” by the “Unleavened Bread” and His “ascension” was prophesied by the Feast of Harvest (Shawot). Only an imbecile would claim otherwise. Clearly, the author has no knowledge of the Hebraic traditions, and chooses to keep his pagan traditions. FYI, “Fish for Lent” is a meat you morons, all proteins are a “meat.”

  35. Lamontte M. Luker says:

    Jonathan,
    You are absolutely correct. By the way, retired Pope Benedict XVI agrees also (Jesus of Nazareth, vol. 2, Holy Week).
    Lamontte Luker, Lutheran Theological Southern Seminary of Lenoir-Rhyne University

  36. Lamontte M. Luker says:

    Jonathan,
    You are absolutely correct. By the way, retired Pope Benedict XVI agrees also (Jesus of Nazareth, vol. 2, Holy Week).
    Lamontte Luker, Lutheran Theological Southern Seminary of Lenoir-Rhyne University

  37. Peter Jackson says:

    I believe the separation of Jew and Christian is a much later event than the time of the last supper. All the disciples were Jews as was Jesus. They practiced Jewish customs, not Christian. If this event really occurred then it was either just a normal Jewish meal or a Sedar. The specifics of the bible account were written by western Christians based on oral accounts received from Jewish deciples that traveled to Western areas and cultures. I feel that the Western account was the best understanding of those accounts by people of Greco/Roman backgrounds. It was most probably their description of a Sedar.

  38. Peter Jackson says:

    I believe the separation of Jew and Christian is a much later event than the time of the last supper. All the disciples were Jews as was Jesus. They practiced Jewish customs, not Christian. If this event really occurred then it was either just a normal Jewish meal or a Sedar. The specifics of the bible account were written by western Christians based on oral accounts received from Jewish deciples that traveled to Western areas and cultures. I feel that the Western account was the best understanding of those accounts by people of Greco/Roman backgrounds. It was most probably their description of a Sedar.

  39. Joyce B. Nichols says:

    I am just an octogenarian with no claim to fame as an archaeologist or Biblical scholar, but what I do have is Faith—faith that whatever Jesus ate, he did so for the benefit of all humanity and His admonishment to “Remember” Him as God’s gift of salvation from sin is what is important. However, any discussion which will cause someone to run to the Bible for clarification or proof, as the case may be, is a good thing, especially in this age when all mention of God and Jesus is banned from the secular sector. How can we create this interest in what is Truth, in our new generations, whose knowledge of God’s place in our lives is really confused?

  40. Joyce B. Nichols says:

    I am just an octogenarian with no claim to fame as an archaeologist or Biblical scholar, but what I do have is Faith—faith that whatever Jesus ate, he did so for the benefit of all humanity and His admonishment to “Remember” Him as God’s gift of salvation from sin is what is important. However, any discussion which will cause someone to run to the Bible for clarification or proof, as the case may be, is a good thing, especially in this age when all mention of God and Jesus is banned from the secular sector. How can we create this interest in what is Truth, in our new generations, whose knowledge of God’s place in our lives is really confused?

  41. Kathleen says:

    While I am not disputing your conclusion, I am confused about why you would quote “John”. I am very interested in your reply. Thank you.

  42. Kathleen says:

    While I am not disputing your conclusion, I am confused about why you would quote “John”. I am very interested in your reply. Thank you.

  43. Jerry Knoblet says:

    I would agree that the article by Jonathan Klawans is well written and makes a valid point. The real question by the Synoptics (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) and John’s Gospel is, Which calendar are they using? Do you realize we are probably dealing with two different calendars in this case? For example, one striking difference between the Boethusians and the Pharisees was the calendar. They would have no fellowship with each other over the matter. It was no minor point. Also there was a difference in the calendars for the Jerusalem Establishment and the Qumran Community, which operated on the basis of the book of Jubilees. I think Jonathan has stumbled on to something far more complicated than anyone would ever realize. Thank you.

  44. Jerry Knoblet says:

    I would agree that the article by Jonathan Klawans is well written and makes a valid point. The real question by the Synoptics (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) and John’s Gospel is, Which calendar are they using? Do you realize we are probably dealing with two different calendars in this case? For example, one striking difference between the Boethusians and the Pharisees was the calendar. They would have no fellowship with each other over the matter. It was no minor point. Also there was a difference in the calendars for the Jerusalem Establishment and the Qumran Community, which operated on the basis of the book of Jubilees. I think Jonathan has stumbled on to something far more complicated than anyone would ever realize. Thank you.

  45. Marek says:

    I have a simple qestion. Does God has right to say when and how?
    When first Passover took place is it the same order in what Moses command to observe to Hebrews about firstborn and anleaven bread? Did he not add a lot of things to simple one sentence of God?
    Your problem is that you try understand a “religion” in a Greek way in very theological way. This is also a difference between us archeologists and theologian historians. What I know and how I believe: for my Passover Jesus died and I’m free from much bigger slavery then Egyptian. Jesus talk with Moses and Elijah about “exodon” which mean exodus – which mean Passover – that he was plan to do in Jerusalem. Good news is quite simple don’t make it more difficult as it is.

  46. Marek says:

    I have a simple qestion. Does God has right to say when and how?
    When first Passover took place is it the same order in what Moses command to observe to Hebrews about firstborn and anleaven bread? Did he not add a lot of things to simple one sentence of God?
    Your problem is that you try understand a “religion” in a Greek way in very theological way. This is also a difference between us archeologists and theologian historians. What I know and how I believe: for my Passover Jesus died and I’m free from much bigger slavery then Egyptian. Jesus talk with Moses and Elijah about “exodon” which mean exodus – which mean Passover – that he was plan to do in Jerusalem. Good news is quite simple don’t make it more difficult as it is.

  47. Ron Knickerbocker says:

    Obviously, these people do NOT believe the Bible as it is written. I’m out of here. Take me off the mailing list.

  48. Ron Knickerbocker says:

    Obviously, these people do NOT believe the Bible as it is written. I’m out of here. Take me off the mailing list.

  49. K. Daniel says:

    Just as for mistakenly reading modern Passover observances into first-century practices, it is also equally mistaken to read later developments into what the gospels say about the last supper itself. It seems to me equally possible that the “holy week” construct is a convenient, but post-biblical, condensation of events that conceivably may have taken place over weeks or months. Perhaps examining what the gospels do not say about the events may also offer some perspective, e.g.: excluding later traditions, does the bare outline in the gospels precisely support the later tradition regarding the interval between the last supper and the crucifixion? Aside from possible Essenic variation in observance, the Torah does make provision for a second Passover observance in the second month for those absent and unable to attend in the first month or who were ritually unclean (Numbers 9:11), and although of little utility in Diaspora or post-70 CE Seder observances, one would expect that this provision continued to be observed in Eretz Israel while the Temple stood. Might this have played a role? Although a quick decision to hand Jesus over to Pilate might have been accomplished in the 2-3 hours between the Sanhedrin meeting at daybreak and the hour when the execution commenced around 9am, subsequent events may not necessarily have been contained within that very short time span (transport to the Praetoreum, the argument with Pilate at the gate, the later summoning and questioning of Jesus by Pilate, transport to Herod for a decision, examination by Herod, the return to Pilate, holding of another public hearing, removal to the place of execution, etc.). Without the constraints of later traditions, I also begin to wonder what else we miss, such as how might the resurrection of Lazarus, the trial itself and the Pesach rituals demanding the attention of priests and other observant participants fit into the sequence of events? It may be difficult or impossible to untangle the actual circumstances from our distance, even for things that were seen as consistent nearer to the time, but the topic is fascinating none the less.

  50. K. Daniel says:

    Just as for mistakenly reading modern Passover observances into first-century practices, it is also equally mistaken to read later developments into what the gospels say about the last supper itself. It seems to me equally possible that the “holy week” construct is a convenient, but post-biblical, condensation of events that conceivably may have taken place over weeks or months. Perhaps examining what the gospels do not say about the events may also offer some perspective, e.g.: excluding later traditions, does the bare outline in the gospels precisely support the later tradition regarding the interval between the last supper and the crucifixion? Aside from possible Essenic variation in observance, the Torah does make provision for a second Passover observance in the second month for those absent and unable to attend in the first month or who were ritually unclean (Numbers 9:11), and although of little utility in Diaspora or post-70 CE Seder observances, one would expect that this provision continued to be observed in Eretz Israel while the Temple stood. Might this have played a role? Although a quick decision to hand Jesus over to Pilate might have been accomplished in the 2-3 hours between the Sanhedrin meeting at daybreak and the hour when the execution commenced around 9am, subsequent events may not necessarily have been contained within that very short time span (transport to the Praetoreum, the argument with Pilate at the gate, the later summoning and questioning of Jesus by Pilate, transport to Herod for a decision, examination by Herod, the return to Pilate, holding of another public hearing, removal to the place of execution, etc.). Without the constraints of later traditions, I also begin to wonder what else we miss, such as how might the resurrection of Lazarus, the trial itself and the Pesach rituals demanding the attention of priests and other observant participants fit into the sequence of events? It may be difficult or impossible to untangle the actual circumstances from our distance, even for things that were seen as consistent nearer to the time, but the topic is fascinating none the less.

  51. David L says:

    Briefly, I think that Jesus might have been celebrating a Passover meal, which, later on, evolved into into the formal Seder with the writing of Haggadot. (Haggadot is the plural of Haggadah).

  52. David L says:

    Briefly, I think that Jesus might have been celebrating a Passover meal, which, later on, evolved into into the formal Seder with the writing of Haggadot. (Haggadot is the plural of Haggadah).

  53. Michael Dulick says:

    Wonderful discussion! I thank all the participants! I would just say that if the Last Supper was not a “seder,” no problem; but the whole grand event from Holy Thursday to Easter Sunday constitutes the Christian “Passover.” As St. Paul says, Christ himself is our “Pasch.” Thank for allowing my participation!

  54. Michael Dulick says:

    Wonderful discussion! I thank all the participants! I would just say that if the Last Supper was not a “seder,” no problem; but the whole grand event from Holy Thursday to Easter Sunday constitutes the Christian “Passover.” As St. Paul says, Christ himself is our “Pasch.” Thank for allowing my participation!

  55. Marrian Stinson says:

    Need correct your information according to the Hebrew Text is incorrect!

  56. Marrian Stinson says:

    Need correct your information according to the Hebrew Text is incorrect!

  57. Marrian Stinson says:

    This information is ridiculous because all of the synoptic gives the exact time of the passover meal as stated:
    And it came to pass, when YAHSHUA had finished all these sayings, HE said unto HIS disciples, Ye know that after two days is the Holy Convocation of the passover, and THE SON of man is betrayed to be crucified Mat 26:1, 2
    Now the first day of the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to YAHSHUA, saying unto HIM, Where wilt THOU that we prepare for THEE to eat the passover? And the disciples did as YAHSHUA had appointed them; and they made ready the passover. Now when the evening was come, HE sat down with the twelve. Mat 26:17, 19, 20
    After two days was the Holy Convocation of the passover, and Unleavened Bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death. And the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? Mark 14:1, 12
    Now the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. Luke 22:1
    Now before the Holy Convocation of the passover, when YAHSHUA knew that HIS hour was come that HE should depart out of this world unto the FATHER, having loved HIS own which were in the world, HE loved them unto the end. And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him; John 13:1, 2

    The Rabbi’s had a two Seder during this time and you know this. They went away from the original meal found in Exodus Chapter 12. This was during the Babylonia exile when they concocted their meal. Which YAHSHUA truly define and kept like the original. The meal was to be eaten on the first day of the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread. The passover was never a day. You information according to the Hebrew Text is correct!

  58. Marrian Stinson says:

    This information is ridiculous because all of the synoptic gives the exact time of the passover meal as stated:
    And it came to pass, when YAHSHUA had finished all these sayings, HE said unto HIS disciples, Ye know that after two days is the Holy Convocation of the passover, and THE SON of man is betrayed to be crucified Mat 26:1, 2
    Now the first day of the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to YAHSHUA, saying unto HIM, Where wilt THOU that we prepare for THEE to eat the passover? And the disciples did as YAHSHUA had appointed them; and they made ready the passover. Now when the evening was come, HE sat down with the twelve. Mat 26:17, 19, 20
    After two days was the Holy Convocation of the passover, and Unleavened Bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death. And the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? Mark 14:1, 12
    Now the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. Luke 22:1
    Now before the Holy Convocation of the passover, when YAHSHUA knew that HIS hour was come that HE should depart out of this world unto the FATHER, having loved HIS own which were in the world, HE loved them unto the end. And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him; John 13:1, 2
    The Rabbi’s had a two Seder during this time and you know this. They went away from the original meal found in Exodus Chapter 12. This was during the Babylonia exile when they concocted their meal. Which YAHSHUA truly define and kept like the original. The meal was to be eaten on the first day of the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread. The passover was never a day. You information according to the Hebrew Text is correct!

  59. Jack Larwa says:

    This for me is a fascinating conversation. The gospels don’t make it easy to deduce. John offers a timeline that suggests he was pushing a particular theological agenda. Luke seems certain that this was a Passover meal. For certain there are uncertainties. In my mind I have to wonder if Jesus was simply trying to bring both the teaching meal and His impending death into a contextual alignment which would forever link the two events. In doing so, he may have had to sacrifice a particular timeline which would not have been out of character.

    Please if you would direct me to the section of your argument where you discuss the explicit use of Passover language in Luke 22 and the reasoning to refute it as an accurate statement that this meal was a Passover meal. Your help in this particular matter would be greatly appreciated.

    Peace!
    Jack

  60. Jack Larwa says:

    This for me is a fascinating conversation. The gospels don’t make it easy to deduce. John offers a timeline that suggests he was pushing a particular theological agenda. Luke seems certain that this was a Passover meal. For certain there are uncertainties. In my mind I have to wonder if Jesus was simply trying to bring both the teaching meal and His impending death into a contextual alignment which would forever link the two events. In doing so, he may have had to sacrifice a particular timeline which would not have been out of character.
    Please if you would direct me to the section of your argument where you discuss the explicit use of Passover language in Luke 22 and the reasoning to refute it as an accurate statement that this meal was a Passover meal. Your help in this particular matter would be greatly appreciated.
    Peace!
    Jack

  61. JOSEF GERMAINE says:

    The Passover or any “Hebrew Holyday” always begins at sundown the night before, which would suggest that the event was the Seder or at least any ritual associated with Passover. My concern is, given all the past scholarship associated with this event , what makes this sudden revelation in terms of historical research more credible than any other prior study. However, we can agree with the indisputable fact that everything associated with Jesus until his death was by his own testimony “Hebrew” in nature and practice. It was Constantine who established “Christianity” as a national religion, thus creating the rift between Christianity and the faith of the Hebrew nation later known as Judaism, each struggling for survival and a need for supremacy. In the final analysis, we should limit our discussion to facts rather than theory, being that Jesus never intended by his own “living” ministry to create a new religion but rather a religious revival in the midst of his own community with the hope the entire world would benefit by his teaching.

  62. JOSEF GERMAINE says:

    The Passover or any “Hebrew Holyday” always begins at sundown the night before, which would suggest that the event was the Seder or at least any ritual associated with Passover. My concern is, given all the past scholarship associated with this event , what makes this sudden revelation in terms of historical research more credible than any other prior study. However, we can agree with the indisputable fact that everything associated with Jesus until his death was by his own testimony “Hebrew” in nature and practice. It was Constantine who established “Christianity” as a national religion, thus creating the rift between Christianity and the faith of the Hebrew nation later known as Judaism, each struggling for survival and a need for supremacy. In the final analysis, we should limit our discussion to facts rather than theory, being that Jesus never intended by his own “living” ministry to create a new religion but rather a religious revival in the midst of his own community with the hope the entire world would benefit by his teaching.

  63. Stephen H Funck says:

    The Essenes celebrated the Passover the day before the rest of the nation. Therefore the Passover lambs were killed both days explaining the puzzling comment in John. There are hints that Jesus’s followers and the Essenes were not antagonists. They are never mentioned, not criticized in NT. The book on line at http://thesignofconcord.com/King_of_Kings_3_FEC0.php suggests a solution for the upper room prepared for passover that was available. “The King Crowned” chapter 4. In Jerusalem packed tight for Passover any empty space is impossible to find. The traditional location had a large Essene community.
    http://www.centuryone.org/apostles.html BARGIL PIXNER http://www.centuryone.org/pixner-q-a.html Scholars like to speculate, prove, how the scriptures are incorrect. Few try to speculate how they could reflect what did occur. They omit much that was known to the people at the time the authors wrote.

  64. Stephen H Funck says:

    The Essenes celebrated the Passover the day before the rest of the nation. Therefore the Passover lambs were killed both days explaining the puzzling comment in John. There are hints that Jesus’s followers and the Essenes were not antagonists. They are never mentioned, not criticized in NT. The book on line at http://thesignofconcord.com/King_of_Kings_3_FEC0.php suggests a solution for the upper room prepared for passover that was available. “The King Crowned” chapter 4. In Jerusalem packed tight for Passover any empty space is impossible to find. The traditional location had a large Essene community.
    http://www.centuryone.org/apostles.html BARGIL PIXNER http://www.centuryone.org/pixner-q-a.html Scholars like to speculate, prove, how the scriptures are incorrect. Few try to speculate how they could reflect what did occur. They omit much that was known to the people at the time the authors wrote.

  65. Burr says:

    According to Matthew 28:6, “…He is risen. …”. This is inconsistent with the incompatibility of leavening with the Seder.

  66. Burr says:

    According to Matthew 28:6, “…He is risen. …”. This is inconsistent with the incompatibility of leavening with the Seder.

  67. grant says:

    I guess I’m wondering … beyond scholarly curiousity, does this matter if it was or was not a seder meal?

    Although Jesus’ “last supper” may not have coincided chronologically with the local event, does this change the fact that it seems like it was intended to reference that event, as practiced in that era?

  68. grant says:

    I guess I’m wondering … beyond scholarly curiousity, does this matter if it was or was not a seder meal?
    Although Jesus’ “last supper” may not have coincided chronologically with the local event, does this change the fact that it seems like it was intended to reference that event, as practiced in that era?

  69. Dr John N Sutgerland says:

    Surely this should have been entitled “there is insufficient evidence outside Christian tradition to say definitely that Jesus last supper may have been equivalent to what is today accepted to be a Jewish passover seder.” And that has far fewer exclamation marks than the original article also.

  70. Dr John N Sutgerland says:

    Surely this should have been entitled “there is insufficient evidence outside Christian tradition to say definitely that Jesus last supper may have been equivalent to what is today accepted to be a Jewish passover seder.” And that has far fewer exclamation marks than the original article also.

  71. grace yow says:

    good morning david!

    thank you for your article on the issue of what jesus had the night of 14th of abib. it was a blessing to find that i am not alone in my understanding of the issue and that you share my position of being open to additional information that helps to arrive at the correct understanding. and yet, until now you are still of the same position, which to me, is a further confirmation that your understanding and mine is correct.

    i am not a biblical scholar so my conclusion so far is arrived at solely from scriptures using concordances and interlinear resources from the internet and prayers for correct understanding.

    the assembly i join for services on sabbaths and holy days observe the “lord’s supper” on the 14th of abib but calls it the “passover”observance and observe the 15th of abib and calls it “the night to be much observed” observance.

    after having read scriptures many times over, i became familiar enough with exodus 12, lev 23 and found our practice not quite according to what i found in scriptures. so, i wrote one of our elders the message below.

    a most blessed sabbath to you,

    really appreciate your pointing out in your sermonette three weeks ago that it is important for the body to understand the reason why we do things so when they are asked they can give scripturally grounded answers.

    thank you for sharing with me that “artos” is used as a common term for bread, leavened or not. this is very good information. you are right. the use of “artos” in luke 24:30, 35 clearly show, beyond any doubt, that artos is used for unleavened bread as well.

    however, my understanding of the scriptures below show that the passover lamb was eaten in the evening of the 15th, not in the evening of the 14th. the only way what the lord could then have on that day unleavened bread is if he moved the eating of the passover lamb to the 14th instead of the 15th.

    the scriptures examined are from both the old and the new convenant writings. (i believe that this was erroneous move of those who compiled scriptures to divide it into new and old. this brought the wrong notion that jesus ushered a new religion (of god of love; not god of revenge, etc). god’s plan of salvation was hatched from the foundation of the world and its complete fulfillment still lies in the future; and, the whole scripture record shows salvation is of him, not of man’s work. the use of “testament” [attested statement of fact] instead of “covenant” [mutual agreement with each party having an obligation to fulfill] also has lead to erroneous belief that there is nothing for us now to do to remain in covenant with god; and the abrogation of the ten commandments. another issue ^_^)

    present understanding and belief.
    i believe that the jews at the time of jesus had the correct understanding of god’s command of which day and at what time of the day to kill the passover lamb. else, he would have pointed it out to the jewish leadership like he did with their major errors. the passover is a most important feast that there is provision for its observance on the second month if one could not do it on the first month. for them to have been observing this on the wrong day is too grave an error for jesus not to correct them. as he did not, i am confident to believe they were not in error on this one.

    although the gospel accounts show that passover and the feast of unleavened bread were lumped together, the rest of scriptures show that the eating of the unleavened bread had irrefutably been done beginning on the 15th (end of 14th), not at the beginning of the 14th (end of 13th).

    i also believe that jesus did not move the eating of the passover lamb to the 14th. i am convinced beyond any shadow of the doubt that jesus did indeed observe the passover day (the preparation day for the feast of unleavened bread) according to how it was observed in his days including having a last meal with his disciples away from his family as his disciples were not surprised at what they were going through the night except for the washing of the feet and the symbolism attached to the bread and wine. the meal on the night portion of the passover day did not include the lamb which was to be killed “beyn ha arbayim.” what my understanding of what this actually means is covered by scriptures cited below.

    we also read in john’s account that he referred to what jesus had as “supper” (john 13:2) exactly how paul who discussed the feast meal in chapter 5 referred to the last meal jesus had with his disciples as “supper” way late into chapter 11.

    both john and paul are very strong practicing jews. they could not possibly refer to the passover meal as plainly as “supper.”

    on quartodeciman controversy.
    this is an extra biblical history issue. the holy scriptures has enough verses to settle the matter really. and i would take clarification from scriptures as of prime importance above what humans are recorded to have practiced.

    old covenant scriptures considered.
    “exodus 12:6 And ye shall keep it (lamb) up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.”

    in which evening?
    beginning of the 14th or ending of the 14th? i believe exodus 12:14-17 settles this. also, compare exodus 12:18 with lev 23:32. but first let us have the next verse, v.8, in view:

    “Exodus 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.”

    which night?
    again the answer will be clear if vv. 14-17 are considered with Lev 23:6 which clearly says that the feast of unleavened bread starts on the 15th with the command to eat unleavened bread for 7 days starting on this night which is the beginning of the 15th day of the month and at the same time the end of the 14th day of the month. so that night is the first day of unleavened bread, the night portion of the 15th day of the first month (abib).

    “Exodus 12:11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD’S passover.”

    while attired to leave in haste, they were to eat in haste. i would imagine they would not be commanded to be attired as such for two nights only to leave the day after the second night. i say two nights if it is true that the passover lamb was eaten on the 14th while god said he brought the israelites out of egypt on the 15th of nisan (numbers 33:3).

    “Exodus 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.d…”

    which night?
    the night of the 14th or of the 15th? exodus 12:14 clearly shows this has to be the night of the 15th. the night the lord passes over the israelite homes with the blood of the lamb on the door post belongs to the day that the lord instructs to be memorialized. v15 then details that the seven-day eating of unleavened bread will start on this memorial day.

    “Exodus 12:14And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. 15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses…”

    which day?
    14th or 15th? verse 16 below that follows the command to eat unleavend bread for 7 days clearly indicates this day as the first day of the feast of unleavened bread. this day is the morning portion of the very day the lamb was eaten with unleavened bread in the evening portion of that same day.

    “Exodus 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.16And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you…”

    if “on the 14th … at even” means beginning of nisan 14 not towards its end, then unleavened bread will have to be eaten 8 days, not seven. the feast will have to be observed for 8 days starting on the 14th even when the command is to observe the feast starting on the 15th (lev 23:15).

    the command for the day of atonement has similar wording of exodus 12:18. and so also that of the day of atonement. this will have to be observed for two days, not one day even when the command is to observe it on the 10th day of the seventh month:

    “Lev 23:27Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD…Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.”

    which day did god bring the israelites out of egypt?
    back to exodus 12:17

    “Exodus 12:17 And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.”

    considering the flow and context of exodus 12, i can see that “this selfsame day” must refer to the 15th day of the month, not on the 14th.

    apparent conflict.
    you mentioned deut 16:1 vs exodus 12:22
    Deuteronomy 16:1Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.

    searching scriptures for the use of night, here is what i found:

    H3915 [e] lā·yə·lāh. לָֽיְלָה׃ by night Noun
    as close of day, ׳עַדלֿ2

    “Chronicles 35:1Moreover Josiah kept a passover unto the LORD in Jerusalem: and they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month…14And afterward they made ready for themselves, and for the priests: because the priests the sons of Aaron were busied in offering of burnt offerings and the fat until night; therefore the Levites prepared for themselves, and for the priests the sons of Aaron.”

    in v 14, “until night” is still accounted as belonging to the 14th day. this means that “at night” in exodus 12:22 could be of the same time period.

    going back to exodus 12, the time then that the passover lamb was first commanded to be sacrificed was also around the time our Lord was sacrificed for our sins. not only was the day and time the passover lamb was sacrifice was not only symbolic but prophetic; and, fulfilled by our lord for dying on the very same day and perhaps even within the very hours the lambs were sacrificed. (matthew 27:46-50). again, scriptures indicate this is a common practice that jesus had no quarrel with the jews through all the passover observances that he was recorded to have been attending.

    daily sacrifice clue on the meaning of “beyn ha arbahim.”
    the timing of the lambs can be surmised from scriptures. researching on commands for sacrifices in the tanakh yielded the following scriptures:

    “Exodus 29:38 Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually. 39The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even…”

    “Numbers 28:3And thou shalt say unto them, This is the offering made by fire which ye shall offer unto the LORD; two lambs of the first year without spot day by day, for a continual burnt offering.a 4The one lamb shalt thou offer and the other lamb shalt thou offer at even…”

    according to interlinear concordance the word “the one” h259 “hā·’e·ḥāḏ” in this construction found in numbers 28:3 is used as “the first” also in the following verses, evidently because it is talking of more than one of something in an ordinal sense:

    “Genesis 2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold…”

    “Exodus 28:17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.”

    “Exodus 39:10 And they set in it four rows of stones: the first row was a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this was the first row.”

    according to interlinear concordance the word “other” h8145 “hasseni” in the construction found in numbers 28:3 predominantly translated as “the second one”. the link below has the list of 72 verses involving h8145

    h8145 hasseni https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/H8145/sheniy.htm

    therefore, the command is to make two offerings in the same day (day after day). the first was in the morning, the second “at even”. the use of “at even” here then means a time before the biblical “day” is over. this removes the seeming contradiction that might pose over exodus 12:22 (not to leave house before morning) and numbers 33:3 (god brought israelites out of egypt by night) as the first occurred early in the morning (before day break) of the 15th and the second in the late of the day of the 15th (even just before it ends and the 16th begins).

    collecting the egyptian spoils.
    how the israelites were able to “spoil” the egyptians between the time they left their house at day break to the time they left egypt towards the end of the 15th day of the month: and the egyptians could not wait to have them go and the Lord made the israelites in the good graces of the egyptians.

    “Exodus 12:31 And he called for Moses and Aaron by night, and said, Rise up, and get you forth from among my people, both ye and the children of Israel; and go, serve the LORD, as ye have said. 32Also take your flocks and your herds, as ye have said, and be gone; and bless me also. 33And the Egyptians were urgent upon the people, that they might send them out of the land in haste; for they said, We be all dead men. 34And the people took their dough before it was leavened, their kneading troughs being bound up in their clothes upon their shoulders.i 35And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: 36And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them such things as they required. And they spoiled the Egyptians.”

    new covenant scriptures considered.

    i read from scriptures passover used to refer to:
    1. the meal
    “Exodus 12:43 This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof…”
    2. the day
    “Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S passover…”
    3. the sacrificial lamb
    “Exodus 12:21Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.”
    4. lump up the 8-day back-to-back commanded observances:
    “Mark 14:11Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?”

    i then can understand that indeed jesus was observing the passover day with a meal which was to be his last before he becomes the passover sacrifice some 21 hours later.

    in john 18:28 he records that the passover meal was not yet had while jesus was still being dragged around on the 14th. these are dismissed summarily or with mere suppositions that do not have any biblical or extra-biblical support.

    “John 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.”

    if this was an incorrect practice, john would have mentioned it as he normally did when something was misunderstood. moreover, jesus would have vehemently pointed this out during his ministry.

    but why john did not is because he believed it was the correct practice. note what he recorded in chapter 13, five chapters earlier:

    “John 13:1Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. 2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him…”

    and john added in verse 29:

    “John 13:29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.”

    his disciples thought jesus was sending judas to buy what was needed for the feast. this must have reference to what is needed for the passover meal on the 15th.

    frequency of observance
    1 cor 11 this portion of paul’s epistle adds to my understanding that what jesus had that night was indeed what most christian denominations refer to as “the lord’s supper” and correctly understand that this is to be done “as often as.”

    the whole paragraph talks about whenever believers assemble together:

    “17Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but f.or the worse.18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, 20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper. (sarcasm evident) 33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.”

    this clearly speaks of something done with regularity and frequency. the passover is commanded done but once a year. also, eating of the passover lamb is such an important observance that it simply cannot be addressed as “come together to eat period” especially as there is no mention of the passover in the introduction of this section. i can understand this as this was a different meal, it was a commemorative meal of the lord’s death and keeping the blessed hope of his coming again ever alive in a believer’s consciousness. i can understand how beneficial it is to do this as frequently as we observe the weekly sabbath, that symbol of the goal of eternal rest with and in our creator.

    so did jesus change the day, the nature, and the ritual of the passover meal? this is not my understanding. my understanding is that the passover memorial meal is a distinct and separate observance still to be observed on the night of the 15th of nisan as the lord’s supper be observed “as often” (sabbath services) perhaps appropriately also on the 14th of nisan.

    difference between the lord’s supper and the passover meal
    lord’s supper
    observed on nisan 14
    eaten with leavened bread; no lamb
    commemoration of lord’s death and in anticipation of his coming
    commanded by jesus to be observed as often
    observed outside of home with disciples instead of with family
    passover meal
    observed on nisan 15
    lamb eaten with unleavened bread
    commemoration of israel’s liberation from egyptian bondage
    commanded by the creator of heaven and earth to be observed once a year
    commanded observed at home with family

    scriptures record both commemorations were observed by believers long after jesus died, resurrected and ascended into heaven as evidenced by the first epistle of paul to the corinthians (1 cor 5-passover/unleavened bread;1 cor 11-lord’s supper; etc.).

    conclusion
    my understanding from scriptures is that jesus instituted a memorial over his death on the 14th with elements of bread and wine to as symbols of his broken body and shed blood. this is totally separate and different from the passover meal which was a memorial of the israelite freedom from egyptian bondage. this is an occasion for believers to come together as part of the new covenant.

    the passover meal is to be eaten on the 15th of nisan with members of own family and perhaps believing neighbors commemorating the liberation by god’s hand of the israelite from the bondage in egypt and its spiritual symbolism of our liberation by god’s hand from the bondage of sin. this was part of the old covenant. observing these commemorations back-to-back highlights the difference between the two covenants also.

    please let me know what i missed to consider or misunderstood.

  72. grace yow says:

    good morning david!
    thank you for your article on the issue of what jesus had the night of 14th of abib. it was a blessing to find that i am not alone in my understanding of the issue and that you share my position of being open to additional information that helps to arrive at the correct understanding. and yet, until now you are still of the same position, which to me, is a further confirmation that your understanding and mine is correct.
    i am not a biblical scholar so my conclusion so far is arrived at solely from scriptures using concordances and interlinear resources from the internet and prayers for correct understanding.
    the assembly i join for services on sabbaths and holy days observe the “lord’s supper” on the 14th of abib but calls it the “passover”observance and observe the 15th of abib and calls it “the night to be much observed” observance.
    after having read scriptures many times over, i became familiar enough with exodus 12, lev 23 and found our practice not quite according to what i found in scriptures. so, i wrote one of our elders the message below.
    a most blessed sabbath to you,
    really appreciate your pointing out in your sermonette three weeks ago that it is important for the body to understand the reason why we do things so when they are asked they can give scripturally grounded answers.
    thank you for sharing with me that “artos” is used as a common term for bread, leavened or not. this is very good information. you are right. the use of “artos” in luke 24:30, 35 clearly show, beyond any doubt, that artos is used for unleavened bread as well.
    however, my understanding of the scriptures below show that the passover lamb was eaten in the evening of the 15th, not in the evening of the 14th. the only way what the lord could then have on that day unleavened bread is if he moved the eating of the passover lamb to the 14th instead of the 15th.
    the scriptures examined are from both the old and the new convenant writings. (i believe that this was erroneous move of those who compiled scriptures to divide it into new and old. this brought the wrong notion that jesus ushered a new religion (of god of love; not god of revenge, etc). god’s plan of salvation was hatched from the foundation of the world and its complete fulfillment still lies in the future; and, the whole scripture record shows salvation is of him, not of man’s work. the use of “testament” [attested statement of fact] instead of “covenant” [mutual agreement with each party having an obligation to fulfill] also has lead to erroneous belief that there is nothing for us now to do to remain in covenant with god; and the abrogation of the ten commandments. another issue ^_^)
    present understanding and belief.
    i believe that the jews at the time of jesus had the correct understanding of god’s command of which day and at what time of the day to kill the passover lamb. else, he would have pointed it out to the jewish leadership like he did with their major errors. the passover is a most important feast that there is provision for its observance on the second month if one could not do it on the first month. for them to have been observing this on the wrong day is too grave an error for jesus not to correct them. as he did not, i am confident to believe they were not in error on this one.
    although the gospel accounts show that passover and the feast of unleavened bread were lumped together, the rest of scriptures show that the eating of the unleavened bread had irrefutably been done beginning on the 15th (end of 14th), not at the beginning of the 14th (end of 13th).
    i also believe that jesus did not move the eating of the passover lamb to the 14th. i am convinced beyond any shadow of the doubt that jesus did indeed observe the passover day (the preparation day for the feast of unleavened bread) according to how it was observed in his days including having a last meal with his disciples away from his family as his disciples were not surprised at what they were going through the night except for the washing of the feet and the symbolism attached to the bread and wine. the meal on the night portion of the passover day did not include the lamb which was to be killed “beyn ha arbayim.” what my understanding of what this actually means is covered by scriptures cited below.
    we also read in john’s account that he referred to what jesus had as “supper” (john 13:2) exactly how paul who discussed the feast meal in chapter 5 referred to the last meal jesus had with his disciples as “supper” way late into chapter 11.
    both john and paul are very strong practicing jews. they could not possibly refer to the passover meal as plainly as “supper.”
    on quartodeciman controversy.
    this is an extra biblical history issue. the holy scriptures has enough verses to settle the matter really. and i would take clarification from scriptures as of prime importance above what humans are recorded to have practiced.
    old covenant scriptures considered.
    “exodus 12:6 And ye shall keep it (lamb) up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.”
    in which evening?
    beginning of the 14th or ending of the 14th? i believe exodus 12:14-17 settles this. also, compare exodus 12:18 with lev 23:32. but first let us have the next verse, v.8, in view:
    “Exodus 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.”
    which night?
    again the answer will be clear if vv. 14-17 are considered with Lev 23:6 which clearly says that the feast of unleavened bread starts on the 15th with the command to eat unleavened bread for 7 days starting on this night which is the beginning of the 15th day of the month and at the same time the end of the 14th day of the month. so that night is the first day of unleavened bread, the night portion of the 15th day of the first month (abib).
    “Exodus 12:11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD’S passover.”
    while attired to leave in haste, they were to eat in haste. i would imagine they would not be commanded to be attired as such for two nights only to leave the day after the second night. i say two nights if it is true that the passover lamb was eaten on the 14th while god said he brought the israelites out of egypt on the 15th of nisan (numbers 33:3).
    “Exodus 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.d…”
    which night?
    the night of the 14th or of the 15th? exodus 12:14 clearly shows this has to be the night of the 15th. the night the lord passes over the israelite homes with the blood of the lamb on the door post belongs to the day that the lord instructs to be memorialized. v15 then details that the seven-day eating of unleavened bread will start on this memorial day.
    “Exodus 12:14And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. 15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses…”
    which day?
    14th or 15th? verse 16 below that follows the command to eat unleavend bread for 7 days clearly indicates this day as the first day of the feast of unleavened bread. this day is the morning portion of the very day the lamb was eaten with unleavened bread in the evening portion of that same day.
    “Exodus 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.16And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you…”
    if “on the 14th … at even” means beginning of nisan 14 not towards its end, then unleavened bread will have to be eaten 8 days, not seven. the feast will have to be observed for 8 days starting on the 14th even when the command is to observe the feast starting on the 15th (lev 23:15).
    the command for the day of atonement has similar wording of exodus 12:18. and so also that of the day of atonement. this will have to be observed for two days, not one day even when the command is to observe it on the 10th day of the seventh month:
    “Lev 23:27Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD…Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.”
    which day did god bring the israelites out of egypt?
    back to exodus 12:17
    “Exodus 12:17 And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.”
    considering the flow and context of exodus 12, i can see that “this selfsame day” must refer to the 15th day of the month, not on the 14th.
    apparent conflict.
    you mentioned deut 16:1 vs exodus 12:22
    Deuteronomy 16:1Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.
    searching scriptures for the use of night, here is what i found:
    H3915 [e] lā·yə·lāh. לָֽיְלָה׃ by night Noun
    as close of day, ׳עַדלֿ2
    “Chronicles 35:1Moreover Josiah kept a passover unto the LORD in Jerusalem: and they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month…14And afterward they made ready for themselves, and for the priests: because the priests the sons of Aaron were busied in offering of burnt offerings and the fat until night; therefore the Levites prepared for themselves, and for the priests the sons of Aaron.”
    in v 14, “until night” is still accounted as belonging to the 14th day. this means that “at night” in exodus 12:22 could be of the same time period.
    going back to exodus 12, the time then that the passover lamb was first commanded to be sacrificed was also around the time our Lord was sacrificed for our sins. not only was the day and time the passover lamb was sacrifice was not only symbolic but prophetic; and, fulfilled by our lord for dying on the very same day and perhaps even within the very hours the lambs were sacrificed. (matthew 27:46-50). again, scriptures indicate this is a common practice that jesus had no quarrel with the jews through all the passover observances that he was recorded to have been attending.
    daily sacrifice clue on the meaning of “beyn ha arbahim.”
    the timing of the lambs can be surmised from scriptures. researching on commands for sacrifices in the tanakh yielded the following scriptures:
    “Exodus 29:38 Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually. 39The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even…”
    “Numbers 28:3And thou shalt say unto them, This is the offering made by fire which ye shall offer unto the LORD; two lambs of the first year without spot day by day, for a continual burnt offering.a 4The one lamb shalt thou offer and the other lamb shalt thou offer at even…”
    according to interlinear concordance the word “the one” h259 “hā·’e·ḥāḏ” in this construction found in numbers 28:3 is used as “the first” also in the following verses, evidently because it is talking of more than one of something in an ordinal sense:
    “Genesis 2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold…”
    “Exodus 28:17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.”
    “Exodus 39:10 And they set in it four rows of stones: the first row was a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this was the first row.”
    according to interlinear concordance the word “other” h8145 “hasseni” in the construction found in numbers 28:3 predominantly translated as “the second one”. the link below has the list of 72 verses involving h8145
    h8145 hasseni https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/H8145/sheniy.htm
    therefore, the command is to make two offerings in the same day (day after day). the first was in the morning, the second “at even”. the use of “at even” here then means a time before the biblical “day” is over. this removes the seeming contradiction that might pose over exodus 12:22 (not to leave house before morning) and numbers 33:3 (god brought israelites out of egypt by night) as the first occurred early in the morning (before day break) of the 15th and the second in the late of the day of the 15th (even just before it ends and the 16th begins).
    collecting the egyptian spoils.
    how the israelites were able to “spoil” the egyptians between the time they left their house at day break to the time they left egypt towards the end of the 15th day of the month: and the egyptians could not wait to have them go and the Lord made the israelites in the good graces of the egyptians.
    “Exodus 12:31 And he called for Moses and Aaron by night, and said, Rise up, and get you forth from among my people, both ye and the children of Israel; and go, serve the LORD, as ye have said. 32Also take your flocks and your herds, as ye have said, and be gone; and bless me also. 33And the Egyptians were urgent upon the people, that they might send them out of the land in haste; for they said, We be all dead men. 34And the people took their dough before it was leavened, their kneading troughs being bound up in their clothes upon their shoulders.i 35And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: 36And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them such things as they required. And they spoiled the Egyptians.”
    new covenant scriptures considered.
    i read from scriptures passover used to refer to:
    1. the meal
    “Exodus 12:43 This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof…”
    2. the day
    “Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S passover…”
    3. the sacrificial lamb
    “Exodus 12:21Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.”
    4. lump up the 8-day back-to-back commanded observances:
    “Mark 14:11Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?”
    i then can understand that indeed jesus was observing the passover day with a meal which was to be his last before he becomes the passover sacrifice some 21 hours later.
    in john 18:28 he records that the passover meal was not yet had while jesus was still being dragged around on the 14th. these are dismissed summarily or with mere suppositions that do not have any biblical or extra-biblical support.
    “John 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.”
    if this was an incorrect practice, john would have mentioned it as he normally did when something was misunderstood. moreover, jesus would have vehemently pointed this out during his ministry.
    but why john did not is because he believed it was the correct practice. note what he recorded in chapter 13, five chapters earlier:
    “John 13:1Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. 2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him…”
    and john added in verse 29:
    “John 13:29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.”
    his disciples thought jesus was sending judas to buy what was needed for the feast. this must have reference to what is needed for the passover meal on the 15th.
    frequency of observance
    1 cor 11 this portion of paul’s epistle adds to my understanding that what jesus had that night was indeed what most christian denominations refer to as “the lord’s supper” and correctly understand that this is to be done “as often as.”
    the whole paragraph talks about whenever believers assemble together:
    “17Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but f.or the worse.18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, 20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper. (sarcasm evident) 33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.”
    this clearly speaks of something done with regularity and frequency. the passover is commanded done but once a year. also, eating of the passover lamb is such an important observance that it simply cannot be addressed as “come together to eat period” especially as there is no mention of the passover in the introduction of this section. i can understand this as this was a different meal, it was a commemorative meal of the lord’s death and keeping the blessed hope of his coming again ever alive in a believer’s consciousness. i can understand how beneficial it is to do this as frequently as we observe the weekly sabbath, that symbol of the goal of eternal rest with and in our creator.
    so did jesus change the day, the nature, and the ritual of the passover meal? this is not my understanding. my understanding is that the passover memorial meal is a distinct and separate observance still to be observed on the night of the 15th of nisan as the lord’s supper be observed “as often” (sabbath services) perhaps appropriately also on the 14th of nisan.
    difference between the lord’s supper and the passover meal
    lord’s supper
    observed on nisan 14
    eaten with leavened bread; no lamb
    commemoration of lord’s death and in anticipation of his coming
    commanded by jesus to be observed as often
    observed outside of home with disciples instead of with family
    passover meal
    observed on nisan 15
    lamb eaten with unleavened bread
    commemoration of israel’s liberation from egyptian bondage
    commanded by the creator of heaven and earth to be observed once a year
    commanded observed at home with family
    scriptures record both commemorations were observed by believers long after jesus died, resurrected and ascended into heaven as evidenced by the first epistle of paul to the corinthians (1 cor 5-passover/unleavened bread;1 cor 11-lord’s supper; etc.).
    conclusion
    my understanding from scriptures is that jesus instituted a memorial over his death on the 14th with elements of bread and wine to as symbols of his broken body and shed blood. this is totally separate and different from the passover meal which was a memorial of the israelite freedom from egyptian bondage. this is an occasion for believers to come together as part of the new covenant.
    the passover meal is to be eaten on the 15th of nisan with members of own family and perhaps believing neighbors commemorating the liberation by god’s hand of the israelite from the bondage in egypt and its spiritual symbolism of our liberation by god’s hand from the bondage of sin. this was part of the old covenant. observing these commemorations back-to-back highlights the difference between the two covenants also.
    please let me know what i missed to consider or misunderstood.

  73. Virginia Phillips says:

    According to Jeremiah 31:31 – “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.”

    Jesus, who was God walking the earth in the flesh, waited until the night of the Passover to make his new covenant. This is clearly seen in Matthew 26:17 – 28. The Last Supper was the Passover. Jesus was the reality of the Passover lamb. When establishing the new covenant, Jesus told his disciples that the Passover bread was his spiritual flesh and the Passover wine was is spiritual blood for the forgiveness of sins and the promise of eternal life.

    Roman Emperor Constantine abolished God’s new covenant Passover in 325 AD, but it was restored in 1948 when Jesus (God) walked the earth a second time.

  74. Virginia Phillips says:

    According to Jeremiah 31:31 – “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.”
    Jesus, who was God walking the earth in the flesh, waited until the night of the Passover to make his new covenant. This is clearly seen in Matthew 26:17 – 28. The Last Supper was the Passover. Jesus was the reality of the Passover lamb. When establishing the new covenant, Jesus told his disciples that the Passover bread was his spiritual flesh and the Passover wine was is spiritual blood for the forgiveness of sins and the promise of eternal life.
    Roman Emperor Constantine abolished God’s new covenant Passover in 325 AD, but it was restored in 1948 when Jesus (God) walked the earth a second time.

  75. Rick says:

    You say the rabbinic seder was not developed until after 70CE. Could there not have been pre-Mishnaic traditions or rituals that the authors drew upon?

    So if not a seder, that what was the Last Supper? A “pre-seder” as I’ve read there might have been?

  76. Rick says:

    You say the rabbinic seder was not developed until after 70CE. Could there not have been pre-Mishnaic traditions or rituals that the authors drew upon?
    So if not a seder, that what was the Last Supper? A “pre-seder” as I’ve read there might have been?

  77. Alan Corrie says:

    Why did you not mention (in your excellent UPDATE article …. above), the recent book by Dr Brant Pitre:- “Jesus & the Jewish roots of the Eucharist: unlocking the secrets of the Last Supper”, Feb 2016, 256pp pb, 0385531869 ?????
    P.S. it was published in 2015 in HB
    Alan Corrie

  78. Alan Corrie says:

    Why did you not mention (in your excellent UPDATE article …. above), the recent book by Dr Brant Pitre:- “Jesus & the Jewish roots of the Eucharist: unlocking the secrets of the Last Supper”, Feb 2016, 256pp pb, 0385531869 ?????
    P.S. it was published in 2015 in HB
    Alan Corrie

  79. davidw284 says:

    Jonathan,

    I believe you are correct; the Last Supper was not a Passover Seder.

    I am a Christian with little to no true undtanding of Jewish Laws and Customs. To me the New Testament accounts in light of the Torah and Prophets is pretty clear; the Seder is after Sundown on Passover after the Lamb is sacrificed.

    Since Jesus was captured in the early morning hours on Passover, the meal the night before couldn’t be a Seder. Also, since Jesus was sacrificed on Passover, the meal the night before couldn’t be the Seder. These are just two examples that stand out to me in support of your conclusion.

    To me, the worst thing to happen to Christianity over the last 2 millenia was Constantin. By me king Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire and banning Christian and Jewish interaction we Christians have completely lost our Jewish/Israeli heritage. Thank the LORD for HIS Spirit opening the eyes of the Faithful in both religions. For the first time we see Jews and Christians coming together in Biblical Truth.

    Thank you for your wonderful articles,

    Dave

  80. davidw284 says:

    Jonathan,
    I believe you are correct; the Last Supper was not a Passover Seder.
    I am a Christian with little to no true undtanding of Jewish Laws and Customs. To me the New Testament accounts in light of the Torah and Prophets is pretty clear; the Seder is after Sundown on Passover after the Lamb is sacrificed.
    Since Jesus was captured in the early morning hours on Passover, the meal the night before couldn’t be a Seder. Also, since Jesus was sacrificed on Passover, the meal the night before couldn’t be the Seder. These are just two examples that stand out to me in support of your conclusion.
    To me, the worst thing to happen to Christianity over the last 2 millenia was Constantin. By me king Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire and banning Christian and Jewish interaction we Christians have completely lost our Jewish/Israeli heritage. Thank the LORD for HIS Spirit opening the eyes of the Faithful in both religions. For the first time we see Jews and Christians coming together in Biblical Truth.
    Thank you for your wonderful articles,
    Dave

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