How the Serpent Became Satan

Adam, Eve and the serpent in the Garden of Eden

This Bible History Daily feature was originally published in 2016.—Ed.


 
Introduced as “the most clever of all of the beasts of the field that YHWH God had made,” the serpent in the Garden of Eden is portrayed as just that: a serpent. Satan does not make an appearance in Genesis 2–3, for the simple reason that when the story was written, the concept of the devil had not yet been invented. Explaining the serpent in the Garden of Eden as Satan would have been as foreign a concept to the ancient authors of the text as referring to Ezekiel’s vision as a UFO (but Google “Ezekiel’s vision” now, and you’ll see that plenty of people today have made that connection!). In fact, while the word satan appears elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament, it is never a proper name; since there is no devil in ancient Israel’s worldview, there can’t yet have been a proper name for such a creature.

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Depicted here are God the Father, cherubim, angels, Adam, Eve and the serpent in the Garden of Eden in Domenichino’s painting The Rebuke of Adam and Eve (1626). Photo: Patrons’ Permanent Fund, National Gallery of Art.

The noun satan, Hebrew for “adversary” or “accuser,” occurs nine times in the Hebrew Bible: five times to describe a human military, political or legal opponent, and four times with reference to a divine being. In Numbers 22, the prophet Balaam, hired to curse the Israelites, is stopped by a messenger from Israel’s God YHWH, described as “the satan” acting on God’s behalf. In Job, “the satan” is a member of God’s heavenly council—one of the divine beings, whose role in Job’s story is to be an “accuser,” a status acquired by people in ancient Israel and Mesopotamia for the purposes of particular legal proceedings. In Job’s case, what’s on trial is God’s assertion that Job is completely “blameless and upright” vs. the satan’s contention that Job only behaves himself because God has rewarded him. God argues that Job is rewarded because he is good, and not good because he is rewarded. The satan challenges God to a wager that if everything is taken away from poor Job, he won’t be so good anymore, and God accepts. Though a perception of “the satan” as Satan would make this portrait of God easier to swallow, the story demonstrates otherwise; like Yahweh’s messenger in Numbers 22, this satan acts on YHWH’s instructions (and as a result of God’s braggadocio) and is not an independent force of evil.

In Zechariah 3, the prophet describes a vision of the high priest Joshua standing in a similar divine council, also functioning as a tribunal. Before him stand YHWH’s messenger and the satan, who is there to accuse him. This vision is Zechariah’s way of pronouncing YHWH’s approval of Joshua’s appointment to the high priesthood in the face of adversarial community members, represented by the satan. The messenger rebukes the satan and orders that Joshua’s dirty clothing be replaced, as he promises Joshua continuing access to the divine council. Once again, the satan is not Satan who we read about in the New Testament.

The word satan appears only once without “the” in front of it in the entire Hebrew Bible: in 1 Chronicles 21:1. Is it possible that we finally have Satan here portrayed? 1 Chronicles 21 parallels the story of David’s census in 2 Samuel 24, in which God orders David to “go number Israel and Judah” and then punishes king and kingdom for doing so. The Chronicler changes this story, as he does others, to portray the relationship between God and David as uncompromised; he writes that “a satan stood up against Israel and he provoked David to number Israel” (1 Chronicles 21:6–7; 27:24). Although it is possible to read “Satan” here instead of “a satan” (Hebrew uses neither uppercase letters, nor indefinite articles, e.g., “a”), nothing else in this story or in any texts for another 300 years indicates that the idea of an evil prince of darkness exists in the consciousness of the Israelites.
 


 
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So if there’s no Satan in the Hebrew Bible, where does the devil come into the details of Eden?

The worldview of Jewish readers of Genesis 2–3 profoundly changed in the centuries since the story was first written. After the canon of the Hebrew Bible closed,1 beliefs in angels, demons and a final apocalyptic battle arose in a divided and turbulent Jewish community. In light of this impending end, many turned to a renewed understanding of the beginning, and the Garden of Eden was re-read—and re-written—to reflect the changing ideas of a changed world. Two separate things happened and then merged: Satan became the proper name of the devil, a supernatural power now seen to oppose God as the leader of demons and the forces of evil; and the serpent in the Garden of Eden came to be identified with him. While we begin to see the first idea occurring in texts two centuries before the New Testament, the second won’t happen until later; Eden’s serpent is not identified with Satan anywhere in the Hebrew Bible or New Testament.

The concept of the devil begins to appear in second and first centuries B.C.E. Jewish texts. In 1 Enoch, the “angel” who “led Eve astray” and “showed the weapons of death to the children of men” was called Gadreel (not Satan). Around the same time, the Wisdom of Solomon taught that “through the devil’s envy death entered the world, and those who are on his side suffer it.” Though this may very well be the earliest reference to Eden’s serpent as the devil, in neither text, nor in any document we have until after the New Testament, is satan clearly understood as the serpent in Eden. At Qumran, though, Satan is the leader of the forces of darkness; his power is said to threaten humanity, and it was believed that salvation would bring the absence of Satan and evil.

By the first century C.E., Satan is adopted into the nascent Christian movement, as ruler over a kingdom of darkness, an opponent and deceiver of Jesus (Mark 1:13), prince of the devils and opposing force to God (Luke 11:15–19; Matthew 12:24–27; Mark 3:22–23:26); Jesus’ ministry puts a temporary end to Satan’s reign (Luke 10:18) and the conversion of the gentiles leads them from Satan to God (Acts 26:18). Most famously, Satan endangers the Christian communities but will fall in Christ’s final act of salvation, described in detail in the book of Revelation.

But curiously, although the author of Revelation describes Satan as “the ancient serpent” (Revelation 12:9; 20:2), there is no clear link anywhere in the Bible between Satan and Eden’s talking snake. The ancient Near Eastern combat myth motif, exemplified in the battle between Marduk and Tiamat in Enuma Elish and Baal and Yam/Mot in ancient Canaan, typically depicted the bad guy as a serpent. The characterization of Leviathan in Isaiah 27 reflects such myths nicely:

On that day YHWH will punish
With his hard and big and strong sword
Leviathan the fleeing serpent,
Leviathan the twisted serpent,
And he will kill the dragon that is in the sea.

So the reference in Revelation 12:9 to Satan as “the ancient serpent” probably reflects mythical monsters like Leviathan rather than the clever, legged, talking creature in Eden.

In the New Testament, Satan and his demons have the power to enter and possess people; this is what is said to have happened to Judas (Luke 22:3; John 13:27; cf. Mark 5:12–13; Luke 8:30–32). But when Paul re-tells the story of Adam and Eve, he places the blame on the humans (Romans 5:18; cf. 1 Corinthians 15:21–22) and not on fallen angels, or on the serpent as Satan. Still, the conflation begged to be made, and it will seem natural for later Christian authors—Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Cyprian, Irenaeus and Augustine, for example—to assume Satan’s association with Eden’s talking snake. Most famously, in the 17th century, John Milton elaborates Satan’s role in the Garden poetically, in great detail in Paradise Lost. But this connection is not forged anywhere in the Bible.
 


 
This Bible History Daily feature was originally published on April 8, 2016.
 

 
shawna-dolansky Shawna Dolansky is Adjunct Research Professor and Instructor in the program in Religion at the College of Humanities, Carleton University in Ottawa, Ontario. She coauthored the well-known The Bible Now (Oxford Univ. Press, 2011) with Richard Friedman.
 

 

Notes:

1. The book of Daniel was the latest book to be included in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament and dates to about 162 B.C.E.
 


 

Related reading in Bible History Daily:

Who Is Satan?

Should We Take Creation Stories in Genesis Literally?
Shawna Dolansky discusses this question in her Biblical Views column in BAR.

The Adam and Eve Story: Eve Came From Where?
Ziony Zevit argues that Eve wasn’t made from Adam’s rib—but from his baculum

The Creation of Woman in the Bible
Mary Joan Winn Leith takes a look at the creation of woman in Genesis 2

Lilith in the Bible and Mythology
Dan Ben-Amos explores the figure of Lilith

Defining Biblical Hermeneutics

Understanding Revelations in the Bible
 


 

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  1. Thomas says

    This article provides a useful corrective to anachronistic exegesis of Scripture that would import later ideas into earlier texts. That said, one needs to distinguish between the purely historical-critical reading of Scripture practiced in biblical studies and the theological reading of Scripture by the Church. In the former, there is no warrant for linking Satan to the serpent, nor for linking the seed of the woman (Gen. 3:15) to Jesus Christ. When Genesis is read through the eyes of Christian faith, however, such readings become plausible and legitimate.

    From a biblical studies point of view, the writer overstates the claim that the New Testament does not link Satan with the serpent of Eden. While no NT writer makes a straightforward, direct identification between the two, there are a number of texts where a connection may at least be hinted at — not only Rev. 12:9 and 20:2 but also Rom. 16:20, 2 Cor. 11:3-14, and John 8:44. Note also the claim in 1 John 3:12 that Cain was ‘of the evil one’ – this seems to presuppose that Satan had existed in early Genesis. The author would have done well to research recent scholarly commentary on these texts.

    I also note the author’s error in asserting that 1 Chr. 21:1 is the only place in the Hebrew Bible where the word satan occurs without the article. In fact, Job 1-2 and Zech. 3:1-2 are the only places where the word satan occurs WITH the article.

    A fully developed primeval Satan myth doesn’t appear in Christian literature until the second century, but its absence from the New Testament does not imply that first century Christians held no such ideas.

  2. John says

    It is always comical when comments are left instructing the author to “research recent scholarly commentary on these text” when the author is a scholar and has written books, while the comment writer has done nothing but critique. Just because a “Christian” interprets a text a certain way does not justify the interpretation. Just because a term or name like a satan appears in the NT does not mean the people writing “believed” the theology the comment writer accepts.

    Recent scholarship is no proof either. Scholarship can range from the Moody Bible College to Pontifical Biblical Commission. Some so called scholarship ends up being nothing more than someone’s blog. In the end, like the bible, scholarship says what you want it to so.
    It would do well for comment writers to go to school and “Fist Learn, the Form Opinions.

  3. Brent says

    You know what, the serpent in the garden of Eden could be symbolic for Satan rather than a talking snake? The dragon is also symbolic for Satan but they’re obviously extinct, not unless God was referring to the Komodo dragon? In a way this symbolism would make sense because the animal we all know that spoke like a man was a donkey of the prophet Baalim but then again the strangest things have happened. So Satan might have the power to possess animals by making them talk. Mind you he does with humans. I guess its back to the drawing board.

  4. Casey says

    What kind of “satan” tempted Jesus in the desert? Was it the actual “satan” or just an adversary?

  5. Maranatha says

    “…We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.…”
    [Paul: 1 Corinthians 2:12-14]

    It would do well for all men to first be born again of the Holy Spirit before writing opinions about the Word of God.

  6. dustin says

    As an exegesic reader of the scriptures, and a believer of His preserved Word, I would have to say that you are heretical. Satan is one of many names given to the fallen angel, just as Savior references Jesus Christ. Is is mentioned, along with evil spirits numerous times in the old and new testiment. He was noted to walk in the garden of Eden until inequity was found in him. Evil and darkness are always the abscence of goodness, not some twisted Mr. Hyde side of God. Please be careful when you post things contrary to God says in His word. The end of Revelations warns you about what may happen. In Christ always,

  7. dustin says

    Dave, your comment is extremely offensive and houses no biblical support.

  8. Sillygoose says

    Dustin, quick question, how can Eve know that eating the apple is evil, if she only gains the knowledge of good and evil after having eaten it?

  9. C says

    Regarding God cursing the serpent to crawl on the ground and what kind of creature was it before it was cursed.
    Is there anything in scripture to indicate that the curse on this creature was just to that individual alone? “Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.
    “all the days OF YOUR LIFE.”
    Also, might this have been one of their domesticated animals? It would have been even more poignant if it had been.

  10. Trin says

    I found this article really interesting. I’d like to know from the author how Lucifer and the fallen angels, as depicted in the book of Isaiah fits in. As Christians we are taught that Lucifer, Satan and the devil are one and the same.

  11. Mike says

    This was one of the most disappointing articles I have seen in Biblical Archeological Review. Clearly no one qualified reviewed the article before it was published. Here are just a couple of the factual errors:

    The author states: “In Numbers 22, the prophet Balaam, hired to curse the Israelites, is stopped by a messenger from Israel’s God YHWH, described as “the satan” acting on God’s behalf.”

    However, while some do treat the two instances in Nu. 22 as a noun (wrongly in my opinion), it clearly does not include the article unless one were to reject the pointing in the MT. Furthermore, most scholars would see this as a verbal form and not a noun, and translate it as “and an angel of the Lord stood in the way TO OPPOSE him” rather than “and angel of the stood in the way AS AN ADVERSARY.” Here are some translations that treat this as a verb: “NIV, HCSB, NET, NLT. The ESV is inconsistent i.e. treating as a noun in Num. 22:22, but as a verb (same form in Hebrew) in 22:32.

    ‎ וַיִּתְיַצֵּ֞ב מַלְאַ֧ךְ יְהוָ֛ה בַּדֶּ֖רֶךְ לְשָׂטָ֣ן ל֑וֹ

    The author states: “The word satan appears only once without “the” in front of it in the entire Hebrew Bible: in 1 Chronicles 21:1”

    However, there are a several more instances in Scripture where satan is used without the word “the” in front of it. Two more could be added if we accepted the contention that instances in Nu. 22 were nouns and not verbs.

    ‎ (1 Ki. 5:18 WTT) וְעַתָּ֕ה הֵנִ֙יחַ יְהוָ֧ה אֱלֹהַ֛י לִ֖י מִסָּבִ֑יב אֵ֣ין שָׂטָ֔ן וְאֵ֖ין פֶּ֥גַע רָֽע׃
    14 וַיָּ֙קֶם יְהוָ֤ה שָׂטָן֙ לִשְׁלֹמֹ֔ה אֵ֖ת הֲדַ֣ד הָאֲדֹמִ֑י מִזֶּ֧רַע הַמֶּ֛לֶךְ ה֖וּא בֶּאֱדֽוֹם׃
    (1 Ki. 11:23 WTT) וַיָּ֙קֶם אֱלֹהִ֥ים לוֹ֙ שָׂטָ֔ן אֶת־רְז֖וֹן בֶּן־אֶלְיָדָ֑ע אֲשֶׁ֣ר בָּרַ֗ח מֵאֵ֛ת הֲדַדְעֶ֥זֶר מֶֽלֶךְ־צוֹבָ֖ה אֲדֹנָֽיו׃
    (1 Ki. 11:25 WTT) וַיְהִ֙י שָׂטָ֤ן לְיִשְׂרָאֵל֙ כָּל־יְמֵ֣י שְׁלֹמֹ֔ה וְאֶת־הָרָעָ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר הֲדָ֑ד וַיָּ֙קָץ֙ בְּיִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל וַיִּמְלֹ֖ךְ עַל־אֲרָֽם׃ פ
    (1 Chr. 21:1 WTT) וַיַּֽעֲמֹ֥ד שָׂטָ֖ן עַל־יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל וַיָּ֙סֶת֙ אֶת־דָּוִ֔יד לִמְנ֖וֹת אֶת־יִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃
    (Ps. 109:6 WTT) הַפְקֵ֣ד עָלָ֣יו רָשָׁ֑ע וְ֜שָׂטָ֗ן יַעֲמֹ֥ד עַל־יְמִינֽוֹ׃

    Sloppy scholarship leads to sloppy conclusions, and this article is wrought with both!

  12. TheDarkF00L says

    Regardless of who this serpent was, consider this: which one lied? God or the serpent?

    Genesis 2:17 – “but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

    Genesis 3:5 – “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

    Genesis 5:5 – “Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.”

    Makes you wonder.

  13. matt says

    Thank you for this article. I appreciate the time it took to dig into this. I will help guide me in my our studies.

  14. Gary says

    In the context of the times, the Serpent, stood for Knowledge.

    In the Desert of the Moon, the Israelites made a Bronze Serpent — The Nehushtan. If you were bit?

    Before it, you did your thing — And you lived. This is no small matter, in the lands of cobras, of asps.

    The Bronze Serpent was destroyed during the reign of Hezekiah (c.716 to 686 B.C.E.) It was destroyed, because the Israelites were burning incense to it —

    Which means, everyone thinks, that they were idolizing it.

    But I do not think so…

    No mention is made, of them being Satanists.

    2 Kings 18:4: He hath turned aside, the High Places; and broken in pieces, the Standing-Pillars; and cut down, the Shrine —

    And beaten down, the Brazen Serpent that Moshe made —

    For unto these days, were the sons of Israel, making perfume to it. And he calleth it, “a piece of brass.”

    The Stones Set Up, by the Patriarchs?

    Smashed.

    The Groves, wherein these Stones Were Set Up As Altars to YHWH?

    Cut down.

    Even the terebinths, of Mamre…

    The very one, Against Which YHWH Rested, Beneath His Own Created Chuppah, With His Best Friend Abram…

    Destroyed, upon the advice of the control-freak Levites.

    All of the Altars, of the past — Approved of, By YHWH Himself — Were destroyed, by Hezekiah…

    For how could you centralize worship in Jerusalem under the control of the Priesthood — And beneath the watchful eye, of a covetous king — It these YHWH-Approved Altars, were allowed To Remain, all over the place?

    If you read the text critically, you will see, that the issue was not idol worship, nor apostasy, nor the incorporation of foreign gods into the worship of YHWH. The issue, was the control of all YHWH worship in one single location, under the hand of one small familial group, who were descended from Levi and Aharon.

    Levites, as the Priesthood?

    Does not necessarily mean, that they were not to live amongst the people, throughout the land.

    Even some of the Levites — Especially, the descendants of Moshe — Objected, to this abomination of centralization.

    Who can possibly build a man’s house, for He Who Fills the Universe?

    But, go ahead…

    Build it — If you must.

    Now, Who Is the Accuser of His brethren, of His children?

    You have to know what you are reading, within the cultural and historical context of the times, to be able to properly interpret actions — And, more importantly, Within the Mind of YHWH — To Be Able To Understand the motives, which underscore said actions.

    Aharon wanted to centralize worship under their control, in the South. The rest of Israel, including Moshe, resisted — For they wanted to maintain the mode of worship, Which Had So Well Served the Patriarchs. The latter mode, Is the One, Which Speaks of a Far More Intimate Relationship, With YHWH.

    The former mode, Sandwiches YHWH narrowly, Between Two Stone Tablets of Serpentine; it Hides Him, In a Box; and it Buries Him, In a dark back room of a man’s building, To Be Checked Upon once a year —

    To make sure, that She Is behaving properly —

    And to make sure, that the Serpent of Hope, Has not Been Let Out, in the interim.

    I prefer the YHWH who you can kick back with under a tree, in the breezy shade and the grass, by a small flowing stream. A YHWH you can talk to, and can share a drink and a meal and the Deep Dark Secrets, Hidden of the Ages, With.

    A YHWH, Who you Know the Personal Name of. Someone, Who Talks Right Back, To you.

    So you see?

    The Serpent, as Satan?

    Did not even enter into the picture, until after worship was centralized. Until after the Church — Whatever its contemporary guise, throughout the Ages — Stood Within the Way, and prevented the Entry of the Anointed Into the Sanctuary —

    Back, Into Gan Eden.

    They, who Do Not Enter themselves?

    Try to keep the Anointed Chosen of YHWH, from Entering.

    But Beneath the Bush — Beneath, the Horns — Is Found, the Small Door. And the Anointed Enter Within the Sanctuary, in spite of everything that the Church of man does, to prevent it.

    And Who, Is Hiding, Beneath the Chuppah of the Serpentine Green?

    Who, Has Shed His Former Covering?

    Only the Wise amongst men, Truly Know.

  15. Daniel says

    This is a good article for reminding us of what the Bible does NOT say, which we often assume it perhaps DOES say. I’m confused about Dolansky’s counting of 9 occurrences of satan in the Hebrew Bible. Doing a quick Lemma study in Logos Software, I see 27 occurrences in the Hebrew Bible. Furthermore, the use of ‘satan’ in Numbers 22 does not appear to have the definite article in front of it; this article says it does. Instead, both occurrences there have the preposition לְ – something like “the angel of YHWH stood in the road for a satan for him” or “to be a satan to him”. This doesn’t alter the point she’s making; I’m just not sure why she says these occurrences include the definite article when they do not. But I found the article overall interesting and got me digging, so I’m happy enough.

  16. Jaidev says

    Below is my interpretation of Genesis, I would like to know if it is correct or possible:

    Once it is understood that the Snake in the Bible is actually Time, then the reading of Genesis makes it similar to reading the Greek mythological story of the Pandora’s box.

    Pandora was specifically instructed not to open the box, but Time seduced her and and she opened the box out of curiosity that brought out death and all the evil of the world.

    Eve was specifically instructed not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge, but Time seduced her and she ate its fruit out of curiosity that brought death and exile from the garden of eden.

    Thus Time is the Snake and curiosity is the Satan. The curiosity/Satan/Lucifer is the scientific temperament that is opposed to blind faith in the Lord.

    After eating the forbidden fruit of knowledge, man became conscious and thus lost the primitive animal innocence, he came to understand death and other natural and artificial evils like illness, war, jealousy, money etc, before that he was just another animal unaware of the death and other evils. He exiled himself out of the nature into the Civilized world, the artificial villages and cities of the world.

    The Lord cursed Time (the lifetime spent by man on Earth), that it would crawl on its belly and eat dust– The daily grind of the routine work makes us feel like Time is crawling on its belly and nothing lasts forever, youth, beauty, love, money, fame, everything changes to dust in(side) Time, hence Time eats dust.

    The Civilized, knowledgeable, curious Humans have to plan their activities aHEAD of Time (Humans will bruise the Head of Time) and they are forced to run around to perform their duties (Time will bruise the Heel of Man). Thus Humans have to plan the sowing of seeds ahead of time and then as per the plan procure the seeds, actually perform the actions by moving their hands and feet to sow and subsequently harvest the produce. Thus we are intricately bound to the Time as against the innocent Animals who don’t care about planning for the future.

    Quote:
    And the LORD God said: ‘Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.’ Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

    The Civilized man is a pawn, he/she does not have power/control/freedom over his own life (sent him forth from the garden of Eden), he has to work in the society (till the ground), the depressing routine life of the civilized man will drive him to despair and suicide (and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, i.e commit suicide, genocide, murder) unless there is hope and faith in his life.

    In Pandora’s story, hope was left behind inside the box, while in Genesis,

    So He drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubim, and the flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way to the tree of life.

    The Lord placed Youth/Innocence (cherubim) at the start of the Life (East of the Garden) where there are positive qualities like open-mindedness, tolerance, love are prominent while negative qualities like bigotry, hatred and death are scarce.

    The Young have Hope (the flaming sword) that can cut through all adversity(turned every way) so that the Human race keeps procreating and bring forth new generations (to keep the way to the tree of life) or else if the young are exposed and corrupted by evils of the scientific knowledge, civilization and society, they will decide that the world is too evil to bring forth the next generation and abstain from procreating and the Human race will die out as is happening in the Developed world due to the low birth rates.

    Genesis is a very advanced scientific and psychological message in this interpretation, shrouded in the secret code of snake, satan, civilization, youth and hope.

  17. Elizabeth says

    “Eden’s serpent is not identified with Satan anywhere in the Hebrew Bible or New Testament”

    Yes he is – Rev 12:9

  18. Michael says

    Jesus said, “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.” (John 8:44-45) Jesus is speaking here of the serpent in the garden, isn’t He? It was at the beginning the serpent (satan) lied to Adam & Eve. The above article is full of doctrinal error.

  19. Sundar says

    Thank you for your sending material I am very blessed.

  20. Sikeli says

    Very Interesting topic. Thanks BAR. I believe it’s the interpretation of the Bible that causes meanings to change. Since we’re we’re all different, so as how we interpret. The Bible is much more about humanity than God and Satan, so let’s interpret accordingly. More studies can wear us out. It’s mystery and only God knows.

  21. Krzysztof says

    Genesis 3 did not directly associate a serpent with Satan, but indirectly it says that God is not responsible for the origin of evil (acts). If this Genesis’s part, J source, is from 10th cent.B.C, it fits perfectly with the classical philosophy that evil is a privation of good; therefore not a being (being as oneness, truth, and goodness).Consequently, there is no causal connection between God, Creator, and creatures (beings).Numbers 20:8,”Moses” worshipping a serpent, suggests only that probably a serpent has even different meaning for other people in the different region and different time (of writing).
    Ps.why was my comment removed on “Sinaiticus Codex”? Too abstract for the ignorant in philosophy and logic?

  22. Krzysztof says

    ups. A mistake. I should be: there is no causal connection between God, Creator, and creatures devilish acts as privations of good.

  23. Jerry says

    Tyndale says…
    After reading through much of the replies posted here I was beginning to see the majority were relating to the many names of Satan, the biblical locations Satan pops up in scripture, and just a massive number of extreme non important aspects and characteristic features all relating to Lucifer and/or Satan. Frankly it appears people here get off on saying words that sounds highly important and well educated lingo. At that I was beginning to see that everyone here was skipping right over the most absolute important long overlooked aspects regarding the true Godly purpose and the true divine reasoning behind the Godly creation of Lucifer and/or also of Satan…Satan’s Godly crafted evil existence has added to our world and to mankind a great service, like God intended from the start. For one folks, all existing things (and please do understand here, I do not personally favor evil, wickedness, Lucifer, or Satan) but if it wasn’t for God Himself putting that evil conning old serpent within Adam and Eve’s earthly living room back then, there would be absolutely no logical need for any churches, any preacher’s, absolutely no Bibles, no prophets, no Moses would have been necessary. along with Peter, Paul, even the mother of Jesus (Marry), nor there could have been a need for Gods son, The Lord Jesus Christ existing in our home world of today. Perhaps you people need to work on it a little bit more here and search much deeper into what motivated God to even start His first create act of Godly creation existing under Himself long before Genesis 1:1…? There is a whole lot more I could add here but hopefully this will be enough for you…?

  24. Jerry says

    Within the past 45 years alone I have read through the old traditional King James Version Holy Bible no less than 6 times. Now that may not sound like a whole enough to some of our worlds more higher educated folks in Biblical studies but that reading was an extreme lot of very hard work for me, since I spent most of my life (up until I became 43 years old) absolutely very illiterate, which is to say very, very under educated at best; what I am trying to say here is this, until I reached 45 years old I couldn’t even add numbers. subtract numbers. spell words, and read a news paper; why I couldn’t even write my name very well at all.
    Who can rightly explain the wondrous mystery behind my (now) higher understanding into Gods Holy Words or my so-called upgraded manner of understanding and much better education…? Only God knew then and knows now why this exponential learning has unfolded as fast as it did and why it all happened to me within my old age or latter years.
    However, in getting more to the point here, within the past 20 years of my life I can remember starting to read the Bible in my mid 40’s. wet at the time I still had a lot of problems with math, spelling, and reading any other material other than the Traditional King James Holy Bible. Since those very long struggling years attempting to better myself educationally I mean.
    I found myself standing directly in front of a utility mirror in a drug rehab center in the Blue Ridge Smoky Mountains of western North Carolina and looking at a very, very strange reflective type image playing out within the mirror reflection. Frankly speaking I felt God must have felt it was about time for Him to unpack, undo, and oddly unfold what He had within Godly mind the whole for my life.
    It was the year 1997, it was than that I personally witnessed a very strange, Godly type, inspired (NOT ASPIRED..!) Vision unfolding itself within the utility mirror’s reflection. The vision lasted all night long, from Darkness to Sunup. The Vision itself took me 4 1/2 to a good five years to even come close to understanding its meaning and purpose. I finally come to see it was not just for me but for the entire world. I come to learn after some 5 years had past this same vision was the same vision Biblically predicted to come to our last days world, as is clearly found written and recorded in the gospel book of HABAKKUK, (chapter 2: verses 2 through 7)
    2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it. 3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry. 4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. 5 Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people: 6 Shall not all these take up a parable against him, and a taunting proverb against him, and say, Woe to him that increaseth that which is not his! how long? and to him that ladeth himself with thick clay! 7 Shall they not rise up suddenly that shall bite thee, and awake that shall vex thee, and thou shalt be for booties unto them?
    I finally discovered this deeply inspired Godly type Vision was offering many long overlooked answers to mankind’s long sought after questions. It also unfolded the exact reason and purpose God unfolded His very official act of creation under Himself. from there God open;y revealed how it was for endless unknown times of Godly existence how He had spent His everlasting existence completely and totally all alone, long, long before unfolding His very first official act of creation under Himself. God revealed to me the moving motivating powers working deep inside of Himself and how it was that strong motivating power source strongly moved and compelled Him to start creating all of the things existing under Himself then, and now (today).
    God also clearly showed me in the vision exactly how the mighty archangel called Lucifer was intentionally created just to do His work and His bidding in far the days to come, on our planet earth. God revealed the mystery of Satan to me and told me one day the world will need to come to see that Satan is merely a tool needed to test and try the human race, to see just how loyal they will be to His honor and His needs to not be all alone again. There is very much more to the Vision but much more than I can put here on these pages.
    The world has it all wrong and God said the Vision should work to set the lost world right again, but it will come only at it appointed time, so wait for it, it will surely come. This is all I have to say now, so good bye for now and go with God in your hearts…

  25. Jerry says

    If the all-knowing, all-mighty, and the absolute most super powerful Creator there is in and throughout all of existence , and strangely enough some people have said God is not responsible for the origin of evil. then who or what super creative power source is responsible for the wicked existence of evil…? are there some people who think Satan or Lucifer is just as powerful as his own creator, an evil creator with the exact same godly type powers and abilities to create any and all things out of nothing…like God does…? I just don’t know about this idea, my Bible (in John, chapter 2, clearly tells me God is the one and only creator who created any and all thing in existence, and since evil is absolutely existing on planet earth (in existence) then it becomes clear it was God who created evil and/or the knowledge of evil…look in Genesis it becomes clear Gd created the tree of the knowledge of both good and evil…so we are left with one conclusion here and we must consider the angels of the matter, so then who was it that created evil, Satan, or God…? HELLO…?

  26. Jerry says

    What and who is Satan
    Have we ever wondered what great super enhanced knowledge and extreme wisdom would actually do to a simple flesh and blood (non-angelic) limited thinking human being…? Far too much of a good thing folks just may not be all that good of a thing after all.
    The actual long overlooked and widely (seldom if ever) recognized fact being presented here is this; since we all basically know (beyond any shadow of a doubt) our God absolutely makes no known creative mistakes and He absolutely makes no creative blundering errors in any of His Godly creative ways, this absolute indisputable fact here alone would or it should logically tell us our all knowing God can truly handle any kind of extreme super enhanced knowledge and also any kind of extremely superior wisdom He currently possesses within Himself; God can do so without any personal problems to Himself, absolutely any whatsoever…!
    Now, here comes the big question many Christian people have really been waiting for throughout their lives, although most all people have not even realized they’ve always had this strange seldom seen questions genetically embedded deep within their most wildest of imaginations since birth, we need to be triggered to them now.
    Exactly where did evil come from; did evil mysteriously come from the mighty archangel Lucifer, or did evil oddly come from the same God who created the mighty archangel, Lucifer, did evil come from our God…? Ouch…! O-boy, there it is folks…!
    This extremely challenging question is indeed a very difficult one to have to answer, and it’s also a very personally challenging question for most anyone (any Christian I mean) to even try to answer correctly. However, think about these next two potentials and likelihoods before offering an answer to the above question(s).
    First; if one were to say or proclaim the adverse existence of evil came from the fallen archangel Lucifer, one would actually be saying, Lucifer is a godly creator himself, and Lucifer also has the same kind of godly abilities and the same supreme creative godly powers to fashion and to create things, things much like the Most High God can.
    God is the very same Almighty God who also once created the archangel Lucifer. In a slight indirect way of course, one would also be saying, there’s two distinct different existing gods’; one would also be saying, there is the Most Holy God, and one would also be saying, there is an most unholy god, a god such as the fallen archangel Lucifer, which is now well known globally as Satan; ouch…!
    We really do not want to say or believe there’s more than one almighty God; this might work to offend the Most High God…! This way is absolutely a no-no taboo-way of Christian thinking, and it should be throughout the entire Christian world, whether past and/or present…!
    Secondly; on the other hand, if one were to say the adverse knowledge of evil was only created by the Almighty or Most Holy God, one would also be saying, our believed good creating Almighty God, not only personally created the existence of evil, God also uses evil and personally deals with human life on planet earth (all of mankind), by subtly exploiting and slightly utilizing both concepts of the knowledge of good and evil…!
    Therefore one would also be saying God uses the adverse powers of evil (as well as the powers of good) in order to develop and expose mankind to.
    At this very moment in earth time the entire Christian world of our day totally rejects and completely refuses for anyone within the inner workings of today’s Christian world to suggest such things as listed above, or to even openly admit their good creating God is also the primary creator and the constant instigator of the power of evil, as in saying the actual Creator of evil is none other than our God.
    Most every Christian churchgoer I’ve ever met within the past 40 to perhaps 45 very long years of constantly researching into Christianity in America absolutely believes their Most High God has absolutely nothing at all or whatsoever to do with the adverse, wicked existence of evil existing throughout our planet earth…!
    Folks, not even one single Christian I’ve ever personally come into contact with believes their perfect creating God created the extreme soul destructive existence of that mentally unhinged, that spiritually deranged, and that extreme egotistical murderer called Satan; o-boy, ouch…!
    Ok, can anyone out there logically tell us exactly where Satan came from or even how Satan came into existence on his own, yet existing under Gods’ powers…? As the story goes, especially throughout the entire 21st century Christian world of our days and times (one could safely say), all Christian believers believe their good creating (only) God has absolutely nothing at all to do with the existence of the evil adverse existence of Satan existing here on our planet earth, absolutely nothing at all…!
    Therefore exactly what are we all left to believe here today; if we were to all go by the majority rule as being proclaimed by the entire Christian world of our day and time, we are only left with but one possible solution to deal with here, God created Satan, emphatically so. Where did he come from and whom do any of us think created old Satan anyway…?

  27. Jerry says

    RETRACTION TO ABOVE…….
    Sorry about the mistake in using the correct scriptures above. I said look in John chapter 2…..I actually meant….my God created any and all things in existence………. Which I was actually referring the John, chapter 1…my mistake…sorry folks…?

  28. Jerry says

    SATAN
    Folks this heavenly being called Lucifer was an archangel of God who had oddly achieved extremely vast knowledge and extreme superior wisdom; this one particular kind of extreme wisdom and also this extreme knowledge no doubt far superseded and long surpassed any other kind of possible knowledge and/or also any other kind of heard-of wisdom existing under the Most High God, Himself.
    God was in total and absolute possession of the more greater kind of knowledge and wisdom, of course…! According to the scriptures, the archangel Lucifer was next in line as the absolute most knowledgeable and the most wisest angelic being existing under God, more so than any and all of the other host or angelic being’s existing within heaven.
    Furthermore, this kind of extreme wisdom-powered-intellect unfolding from within Lucifer was also far, far beyond any other created angelic host throughout all of heaven; moreover, this kind of super enhanced superior wisdom also worked to endow Lucifer’s psychologically powered knowledge to be capable of knowing everything and anything throughout heaven, and also know of anything the heavenly host was doing and/or saying at all times.
    We can also see here in the scripture God gives the archangel Lucifer many precious stones to ware as a covering garment or perhaps it worked as a breastplate. The last thing recorded in this one particular scripture is also just as clear to us, God personally fashioned and personally created Lucifer strictly according to Gods’ very own personal idea’s, allowing also for Gods’ divine reasons for Lucifer’s created intentions.
    This was further allowing for Gods’ reasoning behind divinely manifesting the archangel Lucifer as he was Biblically recorded to be, and also as he was manifested to become, within the end I mean.
    It doesn’t actually end there. This is not really all our God had planned and long intended to unfold from within the mighty archangel Lucifer, and what Lucifer was to actually evolve to become. This fact is also accounting for the fulfillment of Gods’ ultimate creative plans for all life under Him, and this too according to Gods’ primary personal reasoning behind Lucifer’s angelic creation, which this is being clearly exposed to us right now (today) from within our own Holy Bible’s.
    It’s all clearly recorded within our own Holy Bible’s to see, and not just for our greater benefits as a mere believer in God, it’s clearly recorded for best defining the unique existence of the archangel Lucifer as well; long, long before and also soon after Lucifer’s spiritual demise in heaven or after Lucifer’s ultimate down fall from Gods’ Holy Mountain, suddenly we see a very odd Godly creative action unfolding and coming from Gods’ creative handiwork, and according to the scriptures we see, we can see God personally anointed the archangel Lucifer, God further awarded Lucifer with the honorable task of “covering cherub.”
    God clearly clarifies all of His creative actions there and intentions, and also all that He personally invested within the creation of Lucifer here as well by Biblically proclaiming it was He (God) alone who set these wonderful events in full motion, and He did this by giving all of these special characteristic attributes unto His (top-of-the-creative-line) archangel, along also with all of those personal Godly type gifts.
    God then endorses it all by personally speaking and clearly informing us people of today of this fact, He did so through the writings of His Godly crated Biblical words of extreme Godly authority (The Holy Bible).
    Additionally, God further made it very clear in this same scripture, the archangel Lucifer was fully equipped with the most perfected personality and the absolute best characteristics of perfection necessary, and Lucifer became an accepted and honored Citizen of Gods’ Holy Kingdom. Here it becomes quite clear to us, Lucifer had complete run throughout the Holy Mountain of God; we also see this fact by God telling us Lucifer had the distinct privilege of walking anywhere he wished to go, of course within Gods’ Holy Kingdom.
    Lucifer was even privileged to move all about among the stones of fire (perhaps these burning “stones of fire” were stars floating all above Gods’ seating arrangement…?).
    Take note of the next Biblical Scripture real good. EZEKIEL, CHAPTER 28: VERSE 14 and we see in 14. “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.”
    Right here we can now deduce from the lay of the scripture listed above and also from what we’ve learned about from above.
    Now we can work our minds towards putting some logical ideas together, ideas strictly concerning what would be a sound and logical Godly purpose for the idea of the existence of Lucifer moving around deep within Gods’ mindset.
    Also we should explore why God fully intended for the formation and the creation of the archangel Lucifer as becoming a part of Gods’ creative purpose to fashion and create mankind at some time within the coming times on earth, from those times in Gods’ Holy Mountain unto the times mankind was to be fashioned and created on planet earth.
    Which, I’m actually talking about and referring to the Godly granted privileged where God allowed Lucifer to move himself all about and all among the stones of fire, and also a moment God anointed the archangel Lucifer; this moment was at an existing point of Gods’ eternal infinite existence where our physical universe and our planet earth (along also with mankind of course) was not as of yet crafted and created by God.
    This is also talking about a point or a time framing event that happened long before the Biblically recorded events found in the gospel book of Genesis, chapter 1: verse 1 and onward.
    From all of the Biblical information we now have on hand today and all of the particular scriptures listed here in this inspired writing, it is now, today, it is at this time we may come to see some Biblical evidence badly needed to help us best determine exactly why God decided to create the favored archangel called, Lucifer.
    Strictly going on all of the Biblical based evidence we have collected up to this point (and we’ve done this directly from The Traditional King James Holy Bible), we should now begin to see things much more clearly from this point onward, we may now begin to see something special unfolding here as well, something concerning how the archangel Lucifer was exclusively created by God, but for a very particular reason in mind that conflicts with today’s very best theological thinking minds of our times.
    This is exclusively meaning; any created thing which was created by God was not created only for a very important personal purpose of being perfected, or perfected within its very own self existence, but rather is a created thing especially fashioned (by God of course) because of an indistinct Godly motive working quite overtime deep inside of Gods’ mindset (according to Gods’ overall plans for the coming of human life to yet unfold, of course).
    We must also keep in mind here, anything and/or all things created under God was especially crafted (and Lucifer was also endowed with special thinking skills and abilities) but this was all due to a very distinct Godly reason or at least according to a highly distinct purpose in Gods’ mindset.
    This is strictly allowing for an intended Godly purpose of course; all was indeed according to a Godly driven intention or a Godly need for Lucifer’s specially crafted existence, under the Most High God…!
    We may have also come to see Lucifer’s angelic creation was indeed Godly intended here, and that too is according to the outcome of Lucifer’s personal actions while existing in Gods’ Holy Realm or Kingdom. We also see that Lucifer’s creation was no doubt Godly intended.
    But we see Lucifer was to actually serve as a second great existing optional extreme; in other words, God being one great optional extreme (as a contender against Lucifer), and (of course) the archangel Lucifer being the other great optional option (as a contender to God). Please don’t deceive yourselves here.
    The above is absolutely not attempting (not in the least way possible) to suggest the mighty was a equal opponent towards God. But Lucifer was the best God had made to challenge Himself in that great spiritual war to come on earth one day…….

  29. Jerry says

    In all my years of communicating with many different people (Christian’s, pulpit leader’s, evangelists, college professors of religion, mounds of theologins, Sunday school teacher’s, street preacher’s, and mostly just anybody out on the street (saved and unsaved) in an interview I purposely setup in order to studie and research deeper into Christianity in America, I do not think I can remember anyone I’ve ever talked with within the past 20 very long years that was so very hungry and so extremely needful for absolute true Biblical truth and understanding as I see going on within most of the people I’ve read about on these postings here…
    I would love to share what God has revealed to me in a VISION (1997) and just see how they all take to the real truth about what they think is factual and true…?
    Nonetheless. my god bless you all anyway…?

  30. Jerry says

    SATAN CONFUSION HAS FLOODING OUR HOME WORLD OF TODAY
    Since those long overlook days and times within two thousand years of church history this very same highly frightful unanswerable mystery has slowly evolved to become an extreme challenging mystery to all Christian people; even more so, it has all become a highly unanswerable Godly mystery unto the entire Christian world of our own days and times as well.
    Thereafter resulting in one outcome; this very challenging (widely assumed) “unanswerable” Godly mystery has caused extreme massive amounts of very widespread Biblical confusion over the evil existence of SATAN, confusion gas actually confounded the mere average thinking minds of many, many millions of churchgoing Christian’s and theologians alike, and also extending its Biblical confusions not only throughout all of America, but also all around the Christian based home world of our last days and end times.
    This end result has unfolded in the Christian world because most all churchgoing Christian’s have had no properly (Holy Spirit Powered) developed Christian leadership to accurately unfold any of these Biblical mysteries recorded here in these writings in the past; therefore, strictly due to an extreme lack of Biblical information being offered to the Christian world, the end results can’t be anything but clear; most all average minded churchgoing Christian’s and their leader’s of our day absolutely do not fully understand the extreme deep and dynamic creative plans God had put in store (or in mind) for the entire existence of the earthly existence of the human experience.
    Furthermore, absolutely no one on planet earth today fully understands exactly how it all was first intended to workout for that misunderstood fallen archangel of God called, Lucifer; and also, not many fully understands how God personally chose the archangel Lucifer to personally interact within the deep political, social, and religious affairs of mankind, and Satan was there in the Garden of Eden attempting to strongly motivate (Adam and Eve first) and afterwards all of mankind into gaining that same freedom of self will God had in mind the whole time.
    Folks, here is another very long overlooked Godly mystery for us to consider at this time; God is only seeking loyal favoritism and extreme undying loving acknowledgment from only a “self willing” source, a perfected source with a self will to chose their own ways, a source such as found in the human soul (mankind)…!
    Anyone else have any better ideas here I would love to hear it…? Frankly speaking posting board, without the extreme evil and harsh adverse interactions of old Satan within our home world, from the days of Adam and Eve up until today, the first man Adam would have never ever had the absolute best opportunity to self achieve his own self will, and we people of today would have never ever come to know the express joys of salvation through Jesus Christ, for our extremely needful souls by the way. Furthermore, our God (Himself) would also likely have a very difficult and/or hard time in finding just the right kind of self willing soul to work to supply and fulfill His personal needs to be love and acknowledged as King of king’s and Lord of lord’s, not if Adam and Eve had not disobeyed Him in the Garden of Eden and perhaps never gained a human self will at the time.
    The total physical end and absolute destruction of the archangel Lucifer was not the case with the archangel Lucifer, for God to just kill off old Lucifer was absolutely not planned at all by God, not to start with ad not until the end of human life on planet earth,
    God (no doubt) had something else or something much, much more dynamically important in mind for the adverse creation of the archangel, Lucifer. It was absolutely not intended for God to destroy the archangel at that time, and also not at that particular time of Gods’ creative plans on earth anyway.
    Look at the next set of Biblical scriptures and perhaps we can come to better understand exactly why our God personally chose not to destroy Lucifer, not at the time of his iniquitous rebellion towards God.

    REVELATION, CHAPTER 20: VERSES 1 THROUGH 3 1.
    And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2.And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    Now then, at this particular time it’s hoped anyone reading this can clearly see how our God had already setup the total destruction of the archangel Lucifer, but it was to only unfold at a certain or a very particular God chosen time frame set in order by God Himself.
    That Godly chosen special time-framing, the one for Lucifer’s or Satan’s total and absolute destruction was exclusively prearranged long, long before the very foundation of our planet earth; that same time framing was also scheduled to unfold itself within the ultimate face of the total end of our home world, the planet earth, as many churchgoing Christian people of today have become well aware of, strictly according to the King James Traditional Bible only…!
    But what about the time laps between Adam and Eve and the total destruction of Satan at the complete end of our physical home world…? I is clear by now, Satan is to remain loose and very much active (and alive) throughout the entire times between the day and time of Adam and Eve and the end of our Home world. We are talking about many thousands of earth years of human trials and errors…and testing by the devil. But during those long times, why has God allowed Satan to tempt and influence the entire human race that is the untold mystery our world has remained confuse over for do very long now…?
    Take a good long look in the gospel book of REVELATION, CHAPTER 20: VERSE 1. Even after the mighty archangel of God (Michael) who was holding a great chain in hi hand to bind up Lucifer (Satan) for a thousand years, God still had another task in mind for Lucifer (or Satan) to accomplish on earth, at least before that old fallen archangel was to be totally and absolutely destroyed, once and for all. Also check out the following scripture.

    REVELATION, CHAPTER 20: VERSES 7 THROUGH 10 7.
    And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10.
    And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are , and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. The gospel book of Revelation (CHAPTER 20: VERSE 10) very clearly informs us all directly concerning the exact time, place, and the precise kind of ultimate destruction of that long lived fallen archangel of God called, Lucifer. His end time destruction has already been set in order, determined, allotted, and Godly scheduled to unfold at the absolute end of the world of human existence.

    Since the archangel Lucifer or Satan has been around us here or around human life so very long now there had to be some very good and acceptable Godly reasons for Satan’s existence on planet Earth, among mankind, reasons I will discuss a little later in some of my other writings here. However for now we can also deduce from Satan’s very long lifespan existing here on Planet Earth, and also due to the fact God has not as of yet destroyed him; at last not as of yet; and we must try to understand there is really no known war waging away between God and Satan, nothing like the entire churchgoing Christian world just loves to widely proclaim unto all people who will listen to their confusion; Satan cannot possibly ever stand “toe to toe” with the All Mighty Most High God the same God who created him…! Stop saying there is a spiritual war underway between God and Satan, that idea is childish at its best…! The real spiritual war is waging away between mankind and God…!
    In fact…the real facts are, according to the Holy Scriptures we can clearly see God is in total and absolute control over Satan’s earthly movements and Satan’s earthly existence, and also God must have seriously and honestly needed the extreme evil and wicked services of Satan, existing among the human race the whole time. By these undeniable and irrefutable facts and also by this time I do believe one may have just come to see the exact reason and/or the long overlooked reasons for the angelic existence of that fallen archangel called, Lucifer (Satan).
    It’s also hoped here that by now most anyone here on this posting board today would have also come to see it was Godly intended for Lucifer (Satan) to become exactly who and what he has evolved to become today (Satan), especially when he (Lucifer) was also found by God with iniquitous sin within his angelic members. Attention here, here comes the infallible answers many millions of confused people have sought to discover for many thousands of years now.
    The real facts here can be clear to most anyone today, our home world actually needs an evil adverse Satan moving all around within it; our home world also needs a forgiving and saving God (Jesus Christ) to show us exactly how loving and how absolutely powerful our God can truly be in their lives, and also can forgive all people. One could say this is exactly what our assumed “mysterious” God desires out of mankind, and to be much more honest here, Satan is here to help develop the entire human race into that very badly needed highly useful product our Most High God is constantly seeking out of all of the human race, mankind…!
    The entire Holy Bible is very clear physical evidence on planet earth today of these extremely undeniable and absolute indisputable facts I have written here in this posting board, and those facts listed here and also clearly recorded here above this same paragraph; and also, we should be able to see these same facts from the many pages or from page-to-page of our only Traditional Holy Bible’s; we today can now clearly see Gods’ deep and ever growing divine hunger for human love and human attention, this fact has grown more and more intense with the passing of each and every new upcoming generation of mankind’s Christian struggles just to spiritually develop and spiritually connect with a true Godly Being.
    Satan fear tactics more often works in many mysterious ways and often we limited thinking human being’s can see regretful people, or people who suddenly begin to feel deep feelings of remorse and self sorrows over their often wicked and sinful lifestyles, many by seeing freedom from all of those so-called “mind monsters” moving all about in the shadows of the past, deep within their heads, from there, most anyone could safely say the idea of a Satan existing within their miserable lifestyles begins to push the pass forward, Satan starts to shove the past out into awareness of the day’s, and this my friends also begins to nudge many lost people to seek freedom and salvation from those ugly old “mind monsters,” and some may also start to pray to God seeking relief from a true loving and forgiving Father type Being, one such as God. Folks really think about this real good for awhile…?
    Without that old adverse evil Godly created thing called Satan existing and running all around within our minds and also throughout the entire 21st century home world of today, who today would begin to strive hard to seek out that loving favoritism and total forgiveness from a Godly Being that can free them from their nightmares, a God much like The Most High God…?

  31. Cornelius says

    So in Zechariah an appointed being in communion with God is rebuked for doing his job, trying to instigate punishments against the righteous man. But, no, this is not Satan.

    Many concepts are mentioned only in passing, or merely hinted. Abraham’s worry about his status in the afterlife by not having a son to bury him properly is acknowledged and alleviated by God in Genesis 15 (Speiser, The Anchor Bible Commentary, Genesis, p.115). Samuel’s spirit is communicated with by the medium of Endor (1 Sam. 28). Other than that, there is no mention of the concept until the later prophets in any clear, unambiguous, non-poetic terms.

  32. Jerry says

    WHY IS SATAN HERE…?

    Now then, can any of us listening to and/or reading this Godly inspired book at this time truly say they are still wondering why we people of earth really need any Godly laws or any moral order to help control us and keep us in moral line, here on good old planet Earth…?
    The archangel Lucifer was indeed the absolute most ideal cutting edge power source perfectly suited for God to use as a most ideal a-moralistic opposing option standing before all of mankind, and to also be used best as a second great contending, extreme alternative, candidate, or a competitor, the best kind of competitor God truly needed for Him to one day finally achieve that very special love and acknowledgment from an extremely gratefully saved sinner (a person), and from a vast collective of human beings who were once all spiritually dead, but had now developed to become spiritually retrieved from a wasted state of absolute eternal damnation in a hellish state of existence.
    WHY IS SATAN ON PLANET EARTH…?
    This newly acquired, but very long overlooked, insightful information recorded herein, concerning spiritual death, eternal salvation, and in also coming to know exactly why Satan is yet alive and doing quite well on planet earth today will perhaps one day work well into the Christian agenda, tarnishing the fear factor created by Satan around the world and it may even completely take away that age old excuse many countless millions of people (Christian and non-Christian alike) have often used throughout the days gone by, excuses such as, “The Devil made me do it.” It actually takes two to tango folks, not merely one.
    God had personally set up any and all of the very special events unfolding before Adam and the entire world of today and all of the particular spiritual developments as well, and also the entire human race has had absolutely no good idea at all (for many thousands of years on end, I mean), exactly how all of these mysterious events and all of these extreme Godly created particulars have all come together and also worked together in total and absolute ongoing relationship with our current day sinful state of human existence.
    This is exactly why any and all kinds of human excuses will absolutely be of very, very little use and also of no real value unto a spiritually lost sinner or a spiritually backslider (Christian believer), necessary for some drummed up defiance strategy, not while standing face to face with God, at the gathering of the big one, the extreme final judgment day.
    Blaming Satan will not work for anyone, blaming any ex-wife or any ex-husbands, blaming any disgruntled family member, any fair weather friends, or any kind and/or any kind of a problem one once experienced between ones own self and perhaps a nagging or unhappy neighbor, claiming or using any of these above possibilities will absolutely not only be tolerated they will be condemned. Folks do not believe the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is gone today or even out of working existence, even down through the many thousands of yeas past, the same tree still stands tall in our super high tech powered home world of today. This very same killer tree may not look like a tree anymore because it has changed in appearance.
    That same forbidden fruit tree still stands right in the very center of all of human activity today.
    It’s covertly covered up by many millions of worldly produced nice and pleasing things to the eyes, it’s also being empowered by extreme technology. God is yet walking in the center of our activities, in the cool of our days; He is speaking out and asking where we are. Will you answer Him, and what will you answer when He comes…?
    Much as in the days of Adam and Eve no human excuse will ever be accepted by Gods’ supreme judgments, not as an optional excuse or even used as a payment for sins against anyone’s own obtuse ignorance of Biblical truths; absolutely nothing will be allowed to be used for one’s own guilty faults of living out a constant and repetitive sinful lifestyle, one recurring year after year in total rejection of the Biblical truths.
    Only divine loving forgiveness applied to one’s sinful eternal soul, absolutely according to achieving salvation through Jesus Christ, will be accepted and permitted to be use as a defense ploy for the lost and sinful soul, and that one factor alone will work good enough to keep the condemned lost sinner from facing the final day of Gods’ extreme judgments.

  33. timewilltell says

    I have to ask: When are people going to realize it is not what a person may think or how many degrees they have to put on their walls or even shove in people’s face. I mean it is so simple a child can know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God. It is so simple that people scrape right over it as though it doesn’t jump out at them and say here I am. There is no learning on the planet that can teach any human being what they need to know about The Kingdom of God except by the guidance and teaching of The Holy Ghost. And even for that to happen one must first be sincere in their seeking of truth. I know there is no one who will listen to simple so they grapple with complex and confusion and God is not the author of confusion. As far as satan I see that Jerry explained that in depth very well and from that others should catch it until then people will still be stuck in an insane effort to find something that can not be obtained without the right pass key (total spiritual surrender and be transformed {referenced from Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.}). There is no other way and if anyone thinks there is then they will never come to the truth until after this life. by then it will be too late!

  34. Jerry says

    Timewilltell….
    I do understand your concerns here and I do agree with you on some of your issues. I believe some folks are reading the word of God from the N I V Bible and not understanding that N I V stands for non inspired version of the old original and the official and Traditional (Godly inspired) King James Version Holy Bible…?

    Just a thought…?

  35. Jerry says

    GARDEN OF SIN
    We currently live in a vast high tech powered world absolutely full of sin (Romans, chapter 3: verse 23) and according to a very huge number or majority of Christian people this is mostly all due to Adam and Eve’s harsh and quite stupid disobedience towards our Gods’ willful warnings concerning the forbidden killer tree, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    There are yet many of us 21st century Christian’s who are still spiritually dead living on the boundary lines (or dangling and walking atop a fence) shifting back and forth from a secular world to a Christian world, however, being yet sinners from the very beginning of our own physical birth (Ephesians, chapter 2: verses 1 through 2).

    It should now be quite self evident to most people that due to our very own personal state of being in Gods’ perfected eyesight, we are all also currently standing right before that same six thousand year old fourth stage God used on Adam for his best development:
    Genesis, chapter 3: verse 22…..

    22. And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    If this is all true, according to all we’ve come to know up to this point, we still know and we still believe with all of our hearts that Adam did the absolute unspeakable kind of harmful sin, Adam drug all of us offspring children in with him, by willfully disobeying our same Creator, God.

    Also, according to all people of today are concerned, we all have come to understand (up to this point that is) the answers here can only have one resolution on hand, Adam willfully disobeyed God and we people of today have indirectly become a very long ranged unwilling victim of a widespread generational enemy called, spiritual death; much of us extreme high tech minded seekers of our own unanswerable mysteries are still (yet) spiritually dead to Godly will and ways.

    Therefore, we people of today have come to learn from those many long years of church services, sitting constantly under our bulging belt lines of Biblical confusion, according to the strange and often confusing content nature of the Biblical intentions behind our Gods’ reasoning for our existence, Adam sort of did precisely and exactly what God had warned against, and also what God merely assumed Adam would.

    In fact, the churches in our day and time strongly implies God sort of had an assumed idea things at the beginning of physical creation would just work out to be good and ok with mankind, and that mankind would remain morally upright and not sin. It’s time to wake up here folks; this is not exactly the case and it is not exactly what happened at all.

    To be perfectly honest at this time, there’s absolutely no supportive Biblical evidence found anywhere recorded within the Holy Bible, and there’s also absolutely no known theologically based evidence or any proof on public records today permitting and/or allowing any of us mortal being’s to believe and/or to absolutely claim any other Biblical truths or scriptural facts other than what’s already been inspiring enough to proclaim here above and also in the Bible.

    However if anyone here has any doubts over any of the inspired findings recorded here in this Godly inspired book, please take the challenge for yourselves, seek and search it out and see what you can determine for yourselves.

    Seek to discover a much better and/or a more logical answer needed here at this time, an answer needed for best answering any and/or all of these very strange Godly mysteries concerning the Garden of sin, recorded herein, good luck…! Actually, the Holy Scriptures clearly tells all of us God (absolutely) required the extreme adverse opposing services of Satan’s evil existence in the Garden of Eden.

    We’ve come to see these facts in prior paragraphs here. And, also, to give all doubtful Christian’s a much greater working foundation, and a stronger edge of a greater believable leverage, one for fully supporting what is being said here, here is something for all Christian doubters to think about and chew on throughout the remainder of this special Godly inspired audio book.

    If Satan had not been placed in the Garden of Eden by Godly will, and also divinely permitted by God to act upon his evil role as the cunning old evil serpent, while performing on the huge earthly stage of physical life, and while performing his divine Godly assignment on planet earth, further acting as the great adverse evil tempter (Matthew, chapter 4: verse 3), Adam’s divinely intended developments would not have succeeded as it did, not at all.

    In fact, Adam’s primary role in the great performance of life on planet earth would have suffered tremendous failure without Satan’s adverse existence on planet earth. And, old Adam would have also never ever self evolved his very own independence from his Creator’s handiwork, which was directly involved in the many different developmental stages of our early human developments in the Garden of Eden.

    The results of the possible potentials above would then be just as clear as they are stranger still to us today. We people of today would not have ever come to know of the freedom of our own self will, not without the performance of Satan in our world at the time.

    If any of the above is actually true, and the Christian world believes thing should not have turned out as recorded in the Bible, as also strongly suggested by most all Christian leaders today, there would really be no good and/or any apparent logical reasons, nor any common personal need for any of today’s Christian churches to be here.

    In fact, if old Satan was never intended to be within the Garden of Eden, then we yet perfected upright Godly type mortals of today would have never ever come to know the wonderful saving powers of Gods’ deep love for us all, through salvation. Of course, through the saving sacrifice of Jesus Christ, which by the way, was actually never really needed on earth to start with if Adam had refused to disobey God.

    Also, that is if old Satan were never ever allowed by God to properly function on earth with his strong beguiling ways, as a full time working part of mankind’s ever ongoing, ever evolving spiritually based developments, and/or even those needed developments for human life yet to unfold, throughout the forthcoming days ahead, from Adam’s day and time.

    As stated earlier, this is the very point of this Godly inspired book which actually presents the most drastic dangers we all face today, and this is fueled with (of course) extreme impacting damages, but mostly damages placed upon Satan’s evil existence on our planet Earth.

    It’s actually right here where the most spiritually intrepid, the most eager faithful believer will finally come to see exactly who and what Satan truly is, and exactly why our God chose to fashion such a creature and allow him to exist on planet Earth.

    The primary logic being applied here or throughout this particular subject matter or issue of Satan is, if much more people (Christian and/or non-Christian alike) suddenly found out, suddenly uncovered, and/or surprisingly discovered the actual very long overlooked and semi hidden mystery and the highly undiscovered facts concerning that special fallen archangel called, Lucifer.

    And furthermore, I believe if more people of today knew just a little more about exactly why Satan so very suddenly sprung out of the dynamic heavenly emotions of the archangel Lucifer, and then suddenly went forward, straight from the very midsection or the midst of the awesome creative perfection of the Holy realm of God, I absolutely believe (with all my spiritual heart) the entire Christian world will soon begin to take up where Jesus left off some two thousand years ago.

    I believe more Christian’s will then begin to open their eyes unto the true last days gospel, then slowly begin an all out personal salvation crusade, to preach (once again) the Kingdom of God unto all the world, unto all nations, specifically so, for a widespread personal witness unto the true and the absolute authenticated, divine existence of The Most High God.

    If anyone on this planet earth today believes they have a much better way here or a better understanding, and perhaps even a much more creditable and more provable explanation, all concerning the ongoing and highly unresolved mystery, behind the yet adverse existence of Satan currently existing on planet earth today, I really would love to hear about it, please…!

    It’s also at this point one will first come to understand exactly why mortal beings should not be all that overtaken or frightfully overwhelmed by the mysterious existence of Satan and/or be to overly concerned, over this Godly created instrument of spiritual enhancement or destruction of the living soul.

    Frankly speaking, whichever the case may or may not be at this particular point of one’s decision making, it will ultimately be all up to, according to one’s own personal emotional feelings, belief and/or beliefs. I cannot fully understand exactly why the major portion of all churches, or the pulpits, ministers and preachers alike and in general do not see Satan for exactly what he truly is.

    And that God uses the knowledge of good and evil to sift the human race to see which person is going to fully overcome Satan’s evil temptations and start giving all of their believing heart to follow after Gods’ Holy will…?

    In fact, Satan is actually nothing more and nothing less than a specially created motivating tool, one God personally created and also personally placed in our home world in order to help God in the emotional and spiritual development of mankind.

  36. timewilltell says

    Jerry I really like that about the NIV being the non inspired version because I am a strict traditional King James Version person! That is most definitely is a thought provoking statement!

  37. AnotherJerry says

    As far as Isaiah 14 goes, ‘lucifer’ is latin for ‘morning star’, it is not a proper name. The KJV guys didn’t know what to make of the Hebrew, so they simply copied the word from the Vulgate. That’s why modern English translations don’t use ‘Lucifer’.

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